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You took the word out of my mouth Ruben! 8)
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I found the original publication of the find. I'll try to get it through interlibrary loan, but the journal- AEMTH 15 (2001) (To Archaiologiko ergo ste Makedonia kai Thrake OCLC# 28613406) is not commonly subscibed to by american universities.
If anyone is at a university, other than the University of Florida, please see if your school subscribes. I'll share what I find.
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Yes i would like to add to this one too even academics are guilty of the presumption of leather armour many studies i have read talk about leather / felt and many other materials for armour until you start digging through their references and you quickley discover that they presume it is leather or felt. I think they have been preprogramed by hollywood as well
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Quote:I found the original publication of the find. I'll try to get it through interlibrary loan, but the journal- AEMTH 15 (2001) (To Archaiologiko ergo ste Makedonia kai Thrake OCLC# 28613406) is not commonly subscibed to by american universities.
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Paul, I can find the paper and scan it.
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Quote:Paul, I can find the paper and scan it.
That's great, thanks. At the risk of pushing my luck, do you or anyone else have access to this paper? I can't access it.
"The Early Hoplite Phalanx. Order or Disarray?"
A Schwartz - Classica et mediaevalia, 2002
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I think I can find this one as well.
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Paul B wrote:-
Quote:I found the original publication of the find. I'll try to get it through interlibrary loan, but the journal- AEMTH 15 (2001) (To Archaiologiko ergo ste Makedonia kai Thrake OCLC# 28613406) is not commonly subscibed to by american universities.
To Ioannis:
There are actually annual reports, from 1999 or 2000 to 2005 at least, and possibly later.....it is probably the later ones that will be of more interest
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Jason Hoffman wrote:-
Quote:Yes i would like to add to this one too even academics are guilty of the presumption of leather armour many studies i have read talk about leather / felt and many other materials for armour until you start digging through their references and you quickley discover that they presume it is leather or felt. I think they have been preprogramed by hollywood as well
......and others are pre-programmed to presume 'glued linen layers', even when there is no evidence for it whatsoever, other than Peter Connolly's imaginative hypothesis! :wink: :wink: lol: :lol:
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Oh,not again!At least not here :lol:
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Giannis wrote:-
Quote:Oh,not again!At least not here
...I've no intention of re-opening that debate...at least until these Makedonian graves give up their evidence.....I was merely pointing out that Jason's point, which is perfectly valid, cuts both ways...you ( I think)also gave a good illustration of this in that some of the fittings from the 'Philip' tomb are labelled in the museum 'fittings from a linothorax' hock: ....which is a very bad assumption indeed ! :wink: lol: :lol: :lol:
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Indeed I did imply so.
Except they did find something we don't know yet :wink:
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Schwartz, A. 2002. "The Early Hoplite Phalanx. Order or Disarray?" Classica et mediaevalia: http://www.geocities.com/i_georganas/schwartz.pdf
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...Alas, Ioannis, that link leads to a Yahoo message that says "page unavailable"........
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Anyone interested in the article, drop me a line and I'll email it to you.
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To Ioannis:-
Any luck yet getting information on ANY of the Makedonian warrior grave excavation reports?
Is there a problem somewhere?...it would be particularly nice getting a report of the first quarter 5th century B.C. graves ( contemporaneous with Persian Wars)
Is anyone else able to access these? :? ?
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