Teaching Coptic class; need pix of your clavi reconstruction

[aitor iriarte]

Nicely done, Caballo!
To my mind, square patches (tabulae) start appearing on tunics at the end of 4th century, in contrast with round ones (orbiculi), which are attested from late 3rd century on :?

Aitor

[Caballo]

Thanks! Will post pic later on.
Vorti- thanks for the info- I'm learning all the time here.
And as my favourite period here is the revolt of Magnus Maximus in 381-383 AD starting in Segontium in North Wales, my square patches feel ok (by luck rather than by judgement!)

[aitor iriarte]

Gods are always willing to help the good faithful people!! :wink:

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[Caballo]

Hi ,

Here are pictures from today at Birdoswald on Hadrian's Wall- Peronis


And myself

[sulla felix]

Awesome job Caballo and Peronis!

[Salvianus]

Nice one.

One thing I've noticed about decorated segmenta: you can recognise people at a distance irrespective of helmet, unit shield etc even from behind - very practical.

[Franklin]

Excellent duds. Just to clarify, the first one is iron-on transfer? And the second one looks like tablet-weave, correct?

[Caballo]

The second one (Caballo/ mine) is tablet- woven applied around a cloth background. Sagadis Viking Trader did the work -a slightly simplified design from the MAK Sammlungen.

Peronis has (I believe) sewn on woven linen designs of Griffins etc-not transfers!!

[Franklin]

Is this true Peroni? If so, we need some close-ups, stat!

[Salvianus]

Here are some of John Conyard's tunics showing some different approaches to reconstruction.

Left to right:

1 authentic patterns painted on wool. Good for resisting horse sweat.

2 linen, very accurate method of reproduction, but 15th century patterns. This is John's favourite because it looks right.

3 accurate patterns, the clavi with two rows of running stitch and tapestry orbiculi.

[Franklin]

Where did the tapestry pieces on the far right come from? A member of your group? If so, I'd love to see even more close-up pics.

[aitor iriarte]

The right one looks REALLY good! 8)
Yes, please, close-ups, who did it?, how expensive it was? :wink:

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[John Conyard]

An advantage of being in a "large" group is that lots of people have skills they can share. So we get our hands on good tunics, pattern welded swords etc etc. These orbiculi were made by a lass in the group in exchange for some leather work. Sadly, she's no longer with us. My wife made the tunic up. She makes all my soft kit, trying to use the selvage edges properly. I'll see if Salvianus can post up some close ups.

I suspect people like the tunic because they recognise the pattern. But the linen tunic in the picture is made in the correct fashion. Shouldn't we value the correct method over the appearance?

We do have some talented ladies in the group who make their clavi and orbiculi in the correct method, using patterns from local mosaics, rather than so-called Coptic models. Hopefully we can find some pictures of their work, and pictures from a recent Comitatus trip to Bolton Museum to see their Coptic textiles.

[Salvianus]

Hope this fits the bill:

[aitor iriarte]

Many thanks, Ste, and happy birthday!!
John,
IMHO, correct patterns are more important than correct methods because we must look like the period we're re-enacting.
That also goes for what you call 'Coptic' models. Most of the patterns I see on re-enactors tunics belong to sixth or Seventh century :roll: but earlier patterns from Egypt were not specifically Egyptian. They were used Empire wide, in Occident too.

Aitor