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Brittany and Scotland
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I read somewhere about the evidence of the gallic language spoken to the Xth century in France.

When the Britons came in Western Armorica, there was still a lot of Gallic speakers, and Gallic and Brythonic weren't that far. There is also a tale (in the Dream of Maxen Wledig) recording that the Britons of Conan Meriadec killed the Armoricans, and cut their women tongue. Purely myth, but an explanation of "why no more gallic". And in the eastern part of the peninsula, there was speakers of Roman, this part (counties of Nantes and Rennes) will be only conquered by the Bretons in the IXth century.

But Romano-Gallic aristocraty did also hold Darioritum/Vannes/Gwened for a while, even "besieged" by brythonic settlements, as shown by the toponomy. Vannes will only became fully Breton under Waroch in the late VIth century - it has been argued that this was the origin of "Erec and Enid", Erec beeing a form of Waroch, and Enid of Gwened, the king and its land.

In the civitas curiosoliti, the latest "settlement" of the Britons when Riwall of Dumnonia will install himself after chasing the Frisians and Goths established there in the early VIth century, Brythonic population was probably less dense than in Civitas Ossismi and Veneti (Cornouailles and Bro-Erec), and the population of this region will readopt Roman and then French in the High Middle Ages, after several events (the Viking Invasion, the Norman Conquest of Britain and the Crusades) and the departure of part of the Breton elite. And then, Brittany will enter in the feodal age fully, no longer turned to Cornwall and Wales but to France and England, with french-speaking dukes, no more Breton-speaking kings.


For Scotland, Gaels won the day, but after a very long process. For a very very long time there was gaelic large settlements in Argyll ("Gaelic coast"), in Western Scotland. There was also the Brythonic kingdoms of Gododdin (conquered by Northumbria circa 640 AD, later on annexed by Scotland as "Lothian") and Alcluyd/Strathclyde (union with Scotland in the XIth century). From the V to the Xth century, it will be a long haul fight between Picts and Gaels of Dal Riada for which one will have the power. Gaels will be successfull under Kenneth Mac Alpine, taking advantage of the Pictish matrimonial system, beeing crowned king of the Picts and apparently treachously killing the pictish elite. The Pictish culture will then fall under the weight of Gaelic and Norse influences.
"O niurt Ambrois ri Frangc ocus Brethan Letha."
"By the strenght of Ambrosius, king of the Franks and the Armorican Bretons."
Lebor Bretnach, Irish manuscript of the Historia Brittonum.
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Brittany and Scotland - by Aryaman2 - 08-31-2006, 01:34 PM
Re: Brittany and Scotland - by Robert Vermaat - 08-31-2006, 10:48 PM
Re: Brittany and Scotland - by Agraes - 09-01-2006, 03:12 PM

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