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Kicking Roman Butt
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The question of who was a Celt and who was a German in the area around the Rhine river is a difficult one. One thing is sure: the "frontier" on the Rhine only existed in Julius Caesar's mind, and it was probably less the result of ignorance on his part than political calculation.
Let's not forget also that, at that time the celtic cultural area extended far into Germany and central Europe.
So, in Marius' times, those Cimbrii and Teutones actually came from an area close to the celtic cultural zone..
The name "Teutones" relates to the Celtic god Teutates, the divinity protecting an individual tribe. It seems, as far as we know and we know little, that each Celtic tribe had it's own personal Teutates.
Also: curiously, the "german" leader that Caesar defeated at the beginning of his conquest of Gaul was called Ariovistus, and that is a celtic name...
Ancient authors, however, described the Cimbi and Teutones as Germans.
I think, that, for once, the 19th century historians were right in describing these people simply as "barbarians nations from Northern Europe"
The difference that appeared later between Gallo-romans, i.e. romanized Celts, and Germans was in fact the result of the creation of that frontier on the Rhine by Rome. Before that the Rhine was what all great rivers are, a means of communication and exchange.
Pascal Sabas
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Kicking Roman Butt - by Conal - 05-27-2005, 03:08 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Andrew Brozyna - 05-27-2005, 03:29 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Robert Vermaat - 05-27-2005, 09:44 PM
who kicked Roman butt the most? - by Caius Fabius - 05-28-2005, 01:28 AM
Parthians - by L. Aufidius Pantera - 05-31-2005, 05:27 PM
battles - by Conal - 06-01-2005, 08:31 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by L. Aufidius Pantera - 06-01-2005, 08:52 AM
league table - by Conal - 06-01-2005, 10:47 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Antonius Lucretius - 06-01-2005, 01:21 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Atrectus - 06-22-2005, 04:25 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Robert Vermaat - 06-22-2005, 05:34 PM
Cimbri - by Conal - 06-24-2005, 08:02 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by hoplite14gr - 06-24-2005, 12:54 PM
Germanics - by ghandi - 06-24-2005, 05:39 PM
Celts and Germans - by Antonius Lucretius - 06-26-2005, 12:12 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by ghandi - 07-01-2005, 09:20 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Antonius Lucretius - 07-02-2005, 12:30 PM
Goths - by P. Lilius Frugius Simius - 07-03-2005, 12:59 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Robert Vermaat - 07-04-2005, 06:58 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Tarbicus - 07-04-2005, 08:20 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Robert Vermaat - 07-04-2005, 09:43 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Robert Vermaat - 07-04-2005, 01:14 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Comerus Gallus - 07-04-2005, 08:27 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Chariovalda - 07-05-2005, 07:06 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Robert Vermaat - 07-05-2005, 09:35 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Chariovalda - 07-05-2005, 02:25 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by hoplite14gr - 07-06-2005, 02:16 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by hoplite14gr - 07-06-2005, 05:19 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Chariovalda - 07-07-2005, 09:18 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Felix - 07-07-2005, 05:48 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by hoplite14gr - 07-08-2005, 01:23 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Chariovalda - 07-08-2005, 04:51 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by hoplite14gr - 07-09-2005, 12:07 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by FAVENTIANVS - 07-21-2005, 03:52 PM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Anonymous - 07-28-2005, 01:18 AM
Re: Kicking Roman Butt - by Anonymous - 11-30-2005, 03:28 AM
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