06-25-2019, 10:20 AM
(06-24-2019, 09:18 PM)Sean Manning Wrote: cemeteries where every adult had terrible eye and oral health outside the legion camp at Lauriacum
That would suggest things were not so great, yes - although we'd have to ask who these people were, and whether they were the same population as produced the later evidence of improved health and physique.
(06-24-2019, 09:18 PM)Sean Manning Wrote: people like Steve Muhlberger and Benjamin Isaacs who are pretty cynical of the benefits of Late Roman civilization
Interesting post - thanks! Muhlberger answers his own question in the two extracts you've quoted, and I think Ward-Perkins would agree entirely - 'civilisation' is not measured by whatever the rich elites are up to, but by the general standard and complexity of daily life available across a wide spectrum of society - clean drinking water, like solid roofs and access to diverse produce and good pottery and literacy and not-too-insane levels of infant mortality, is all a part of that.
(06-24-2019, 09:18 PM)Sean Manning Wrote: there are people who try to hide the extent to which urban, complex society collapsed in the western provinces in the fifth century, so Ward-Perkins is speaking to them
I'm not sure who they are either! Perhaps Chris Wickham, with his euphemistic 'radical material simplification'? - life didn't get worse in the early middle ages, it just got, y'know... simpler...
Nathan Ross