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References to late Roman army???
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(04-26-2017, 03:28 AM)Steven James Wrote: Nathan has replied that the martyries could be drawing on 4th or 5th century sources relating to the numbers of soldiers

Just to confirm, I didn't say exactly that! [Image: wink.png]

My reply was:

"They are at least close to Vegetius's figures - which might show that some people at least around the end of the 4th century or beginning of the 5th believed a legion to be that size (in the past, perhaps...?)"

It's possible that whoever composed these martyr stories was raiding old official documents for 'authentic garnish', but just as likely that they were relying on details passed down from previous stories, or from what people at the time of writing thought people in the past did...

That some historical sources are more reliable than others is self evident. Some news sources today are more reliable than others. Treating them all as identical and entirely neutral is not a good idea.



(04-26-2017, 03:28 AM)Steven James Wrote: Prove to me Robert the martyries did not use military sources, after all, some of those martyrs were supposedly soldiers.

But the martyrs did not write their own stories. Many of these passiones appear to have been recorded a hundred or more years after the event, and we don't know where their information comes from.

Apparently there were a multitude of them composed in the closing decades of the 4th century, and only some survive - what we have today may just be the tip of an iceberg of martyrology! Some stories we know drew on previous ones (the passio of SS Sergius and Bacchus, for example), which may in turn have drawn on still further previous ones now lost to us.

It does seem that some details were transmitted inaccurately, even in the stories that survive. The passio of Typasius has a praepositus saltus and a decurion as officers of a vexillatione: the former official was caretaker of a tract of land, and the latter was probably a city councilor. Whoever copied the surviving version of the story mistook them for military officers. Often we have no way of telling how many other mistakes of this sort these stories contain.
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RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 04-22-2017, 04:38 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 04-23-2017, 10:29 AM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 04-24-2017, 03:27 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Nathan Ross - 04-26-2017, 10:23 AM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-03-2017, 11:37 AM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-04-2017, 11:25 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-05-2017, 03:10 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-05-2017, 04:40 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-06-2017, 12:17 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-06-2017, 05:26 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-09-2017, 08:51 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-10-2017, 04:50 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-12-2017, 10:51 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-13-2017, 10:41 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-14-2017, 01:41 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-15-2017, 02:44 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-15-2017, 07:05 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-17-2017, 09:30 AM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-18-2017, 10:44 AM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 05-23-2017, 08:53 AM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 10-22-2017, 02:31 PM
RE: References to late Roman army??? - by Renatus - 10-22-2017, 03:31 PM

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