05-15-2002, 07:37 AM
This is not a position I am going to defend stubbornly, but:<br>
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<b> Also BTW as far as I know there are no depictions or accounts of thureophoroi (or indeed thorakitai) armed with both a spear and javelins, it's something of a fiction.</b><br>
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IIRC, aren't Maccabean Judeans specifically mentioned as being armed with long spear and javelins?<br>
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I'm not about to argue against the cheap hoplite replacement thing; I am totally in agreement with such an assessment (and the Imperium game will have thureophoroi in the game as just such a unit type); I would not argue that they used both javelins and long spears in a pitched battle either; this does seem like a cumbersome combination. But I don't see any reason why they shouldn't have been able to fight with both if required - if Macedonian phalangites can be accepted as being trained to fight with pike and javelin (even during this time), why should the all-pervasive mercenary type of the era not have been able to? <p>Strategy<br>
Designer/Developer<br>
Imperium - Rise of Rome</p><i></i>
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<b> Also BTW as far as I know there are no depictions or accounts of thureophoroi (or indeed thorakitai) armed with both a spear and javelins, it's something of a fiction.</b><br>
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IIRC, aren't Maccabean Judeans specifically mentioned as being armed with long spear and javelins?<br>
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I'm not about to argue against the cheap hoplite replacement thing; I am totally in agreement with such an assessment (and the Imperium game will have thureophoroi in the game as just such a unit type); I would not argue that they used both javelins and long spears in a pitched battle either; this does seem like a cumbersome combination. But I don't see any reason why they shouldn't have been able to fight with both if required - if Macedonian phalangites can be accepted as being trained to fight with pike and javelin (even during this time), why should the all-pervasive mercenary type of the era not have been able to? <p>Strategy<br>
Designer/Developer<br>
Imperium - Rise of Rome</p><i></i>
