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Zama: The Battle That Never Was?
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After comparing the various data available on some of the ancient historians, I am confident Valerius Antias’ source was Lucius Cincius Alimentus, and as Polybius on many occasions has the same mistake in his works as Alimentus, so now I know when Polybius is using Alimentus because Alimentus always double counts the same troop type, and I have no idea why.
 
There certainly was a battle between Scipio and Hannibal, or should I say between Scipio’s extraordinarii and Hannibal’s rear guard. I’ve gone over my notes on this battle and looked at the major events I have compartmentalised over the years.
 
Livy starts the battle with three Roman lines, and then has two lines, so Livy appears to follow Polybius at the start and then switches to another source. Appian only mentions two Carthaginian lines, and does not have the Roman and Numidian cavalry return and attack Hannibal’s third line and therefore, save the day.
 
There are definitely two versions of events in play, with Appian interjecting Polybius with an earlier version of events. It would appear that many writers after Polybius, are trying to merge the two and somewhat conflicting versions together.
 
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say Polybius is trying to turn a battle of encounter while in march column into a set piece battle. Looking at it from this point of view, having the principes/triarii taking up station on the flanks of the hastati could be the three columns Polybius mentions in his description of the army on the march when contact is made.
 
Appian’s account of the first line being brought up, and giving battle could relate to turning about the direction of march and then proceeding towards the enemy and then forming line of battle. Later Appian then has the second line being brought up, which again is turning about while in march column. Having Hannibal’s veterans being 200 stades behind the second line could be the distance between when the units were in march column.
 
I think the Carthaginian first line of mercenaries and the elephant are embellishments, and for me eliminating the elephants and the mercenaries starts giving all the account a better fluidity. Anyway, that is my take on the matter.
 
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Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by antiochus - 12-13-2014, 02:29 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Robert - 12-13-2014, 04:48 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by antiochus - 12-14-2014, 03:29 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Dan Howard - 12-15-2014, 08:08 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by antiochus - 12-16-2014, 05:26 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by antiochus - 12-16-2014, 05:35 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Jay - 12-16-2014, 06:39 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Dan Howard - 12-16-2014, 07:20 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by antiochus - 12-16-2014, 07:50 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Dan Howard - 12-16-2014, 08:34 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Macedon - 12-16-2014, 10:56 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Walhaz - 12-16-2014, 12:51 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by antiochus - 12-17-2014, 05:37 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by antiochus - 12-17-2014, 10:30 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Robert - 12-17-2014, 12:44 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Justin I - 12-17-2014, 07:17 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Urselius - 12-17-2014, 07:27 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Bryan - 12-17-2014, 08:58 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Justin I - 12-18-2014, 08:19 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Dan Howard - 12-18-2014, 09:16 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Renatus - 12-19-2014, 07:46 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Dan Howard - 12-19-2014, 08:06 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Renatus - 12-19-2014, 09:47 AM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Dan Howard - 12-19-2014, 01:15 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Renatus - 12-19-2014, 11:51 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Bryan - 12-22-2014, 03:16 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Bryan - 12-22-2014, 03:46 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Bryan - 12-22-2014, 08:03 PM
Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Tim - 12-23-2014, 07:47 PM
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RE: Zama: The Battle That Never Was? - by Hanny - 09-15-2021, 03:58 PM
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