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Deconstructing Polybius - an example
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If we assume that Roman sources tell the truth regarding Roman casualties at Magnesia, then it is impossible that more than one legion was defeated. Even if just one entire legion routed, casualties would be much heavier. But sources don't say about any Roman legion routing - Appian writes that the line (phalanx) of - perhaps just one (Livy; Justin) - Roman legion was broken (i.e. cut through or cracked in half) by Seleucid cavalry charge (probably charging in wedge or column formation). This can explain the relatively low Roman losses (if we want to trust their casualty figures) - only a thin section of the Roman battle line was smashed.

In other case, massively routing Romans would be exposed to cavalry chase for a long time. And this means extremely heavy casualties (if entire legion is routing, then most of it should be wiped out).


Quote:If you read the whole thing, you will see we were specifically discussing instances where the Roman infantry, legionary line engaged and defeated a Macedonian, sarisa bearing phalanx face to face in regular combat. So, Magnesia was an example where that did not happen. .

Indeed, at Magnesia legions didn't engage in close combat until phalanx got confused by elephants.

The battle of Pydna was an example where this happened, however.
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Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-28-2013, 08:26 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-28-2013, 08:56 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Macedon - 05-28-2013, 10:09 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Macedon - 05-29-2013, 09:46 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-29-2013, 08:24 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Macedon - 05-29-2013, 11:44 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-30-2013, 02:55 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 05-30-2013, 08:06 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Macedon - 05-30-2013, 08:49 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 05-30-2013, 01:34 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-30-2013, 02:38 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-30-2013, 07:03 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-30-2013, 09:48 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 05-31-2013, 04:56 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-31-2013, 02:20 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 05-31-2013, 03:28 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-31-2013, 06:11 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Tim - 05-31-2013, 09:20 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Bryan - 05-31-2013, 10:22 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 06-01-2013, 03:33 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Tim - 06-01-2013, 03:49 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 06-02-2013, 02:45 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 06-02-2013, 12:29 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 06-03-2013, 01:57 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by antiochus - 06-07-2013, 02:43 AM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Peter - 06-13-2013, 09:41 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Peter - 06-13-2013, 09:47 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Macedon - 06-13-2013, 11:01 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Peter - 06-13-2013, 11:16 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Macedon - 06-13-2013, 11:19 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Peter - 06-13-2013, 11:27 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Macedon - 06-13-2013, 11:42 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Peter - 06-13-2013, 11:52 PM
Deconstructing Polybius - an example - by Macedon - 06-13-2013, 11:54 PM
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