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Question about a Roman name
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D B Campbell post=308993 Wrote:
diegis post=308992 Wrote:But when "Goths" start to call themselves "Goths"? Isnt just Jordanes calling them like that? Or wasnt this just in some writings of scholars educated by reading some Roman archives?
I wonder how Shapur I knew about the Goths? :?

Do we know exactly how far the Gothic territory extended eastwards? We know that before the arrival of the Huns the Goths had engaged in warfare with the Alans, and I presume that the Alans were living more to the east, and possibly raiding into Sasanid territory. I suppose its just possible that the Alans could have traded Gothic prisoners as slaves with the Sasanids?

Hailog, Gentlemen

Likely that Shapur I knew about the Goths because they almost encroached upon his borders. We know that early-on they raided lands southeast of the Black Sea. Bishop Ulfilas descended from captured Cappidocians. We also know that Goths were recorded by Tacitus (Germania)under slightly differing names.

Strongly against linking Goths with Getae as the "same people," even though the Getae became a part of that culture. Much of what Heather postulated can be argued, and Kulikowski (in trying to debunk Jordanes' King Ermaeric "myth") has been disproven with Gothic archaeological finds along the river Samara, a tributary of the Ural. Perhaps Wolfram was overly "Germanic;" but what we do know-- Goths spoke a Germanic language, their leaders had Germanic names, their Bible was in a Germanic tongue-- is that the heirarchy was heavily Germanic influenced.

We have been through this before, as mentioned by Robert. Let the dead dog lie in peaceSmile
Alan J. Campbell

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Question about a Roman name - by diegis - 03-12-2012, 12:10 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by diegis - 03-12-2012, 02:49 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by D B Campbell - 03-12-2012, 03:48 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by Kai - 03-12-2012, 07:40 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by D B Campbell - 03-12-2012, 07:56 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by Sean Manning - 03-12-2012, 10:24 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by Nathan Ross - 03-12-2012, 11:29 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by D B Campbell - 03-13-2012, 12:03 AM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by diegis - 03-13-2012, 12:23 AM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by diegis - 03-13-2012, 12:27 AM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by diegis - 03-13-2012, 12:36 AM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by D B Campbell - 03-13-2012, 02:05 AM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by diegis - 03-16-2012, 03:19 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by D B Campbell - 03-16-2012, 03:34 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by diegis - 03-16-2012, 04:17 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by Crispvs - 03-19-2012, 09:56 PM
Re: Question about a Roman name - by Alanus - 03-21-2012, 01:56 AM

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