01-06-2005, 06:45 PM
Ave, frater!<br>
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I have the same, wonderful book. Looking through the various letters, there are a number of different addresses among superiors and equals, including some combined ones. You're right that domine and various forms of it (dominum meum, for example) seems to predominate in exchanges between Flavius Cerialis, the prefect of Coh. I Bataviorum, and his superiors (including guys named Crispinus and September, apparently a high mucky-mucks in the office of the provincial governer). Interestingly, it's a slightly different picture when it comes to officers of Coh. I addressing Cerialis. "My Lord" (domine) and "brother" (frater) seem interchangeable or are used in combination-- for example, the centurion Claudius Super addresses Cerialis as "dearest lord and brother" (domine frater carissime), and Brocchus and Niger, two other officers (or maybe officials?) of indeterminate rank, address Cerialis first simply as "brother," then later as "[best] lord and brother" (optamus frater bene ualere te domine). "Lord and brother" also shows up in a letter from Oppois Niger to Priscinus.<br>
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The most amazing address is from the decurion Masclus to Cerialis, which starts "Masclus to Cerilais, his king, greeting" (Masclus Ceriali regi suo salutem). King! The note below the letter says: "The title Rex is not found elsewhere... despite the fact that Batavian units are known to have been commanded by nobles of royal blood, it is more likely that here it simply means 'patron,' a well-attested usage."<br>
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Another title used between soldiers of equal rank is "contuburnali," translated as "messmate," which is often used in combination with "brother." Even slaves use "frater" when addressing each other, and don't seem ashamed of identifying themselves as slaves in such exchanges (a Seuero seruo = "from Severus, slave of...")<br>
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An apparent private citizen who had been (he claims) unjustly "beaten with rods" by a centurion addresses someone, perhaps Cerialis or someone higher up in the governor's office, or the governor himself, as "your majesty" (tuam maiestatem) and "your mercifulness" (tuam misericordiam).<br>
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again, this is a great book and offers a lot of insights into how the Romans related to one another across the social scale.<br>
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T. Flavius Crispus<br>
Legio VI VPF<br>
California, USA<br>
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I have the same, wonderful book. Looking through the various letters, there are a number of different addresses among superiors and equals, including some combined ones. You're right that domine and various forms of it (dominum meum, for example) seems to predominate in exchanges between Flavius Cerialis, the prefect of Coh. I Bataviorum, and his superiors (including guys named Crispinus and September, apparently a high mucky-mucks in the office of the provincial governer). Interestingly, it's a slightly different picture when it comes to officers of Coh. I addressing Cerialis. "My Lord" (domine) and "brother" (frater) seem interchangeable or are used in combination-- for example, the centurion Claudius Super addresses Cerialis as "dearest lord and brother" (domine frater carissime), and Brocchus and Niger, two other officers (or maybe officials?) of indeterminate rank, address Cerialis first simply as "brother," then later as "[best] lord and brother" (optamus frater bene ualere te domine). "Lord and brother" also shows up in a letter from Oppois Niger to Priscinus.<br>
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The most amazing address is from the decurion Masclus to Cerialis, which starts "Masclus to Cerilais, his king, greeting" (Masclus Ceriali regi suo salutem). King! The note below the letter says: "The title Rex is not found elsewhere... despite the fact that Batavian units are known to have been commanded by nobles of royal blood, it is more likely that here it simply means 'patron,' a well-attested usage."<br>
<br>
Another title used between soldiers of equal rank is "contuburnali," translated as "messmate," which is often used in combination with "brother." Even slaves use "frater" when addressing each other, and don't seem ashamed of identifying themselves as slaves in such exchanges (a Seuero seruo = "from Severus, slave of...")<br>
<br>
An apparent private citizen who had been (he claims) unjustly "beaten with rods" by a centurion addresses someone, perhaps Cerialis or someone higher up in the governor's office, or the governor himself, as "your majesty" (tuam maiestatem) and "your mercifulness" (tuam misericordiam).<br>
<br>
again, this is a great book and offers a lot of insights into how the Romans related to one another across the social scale.<br>
<br>
T. Flavius Crispus<br>
Legio VI VPF<br>
California, USA<br>
<br>
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T. Flavius Crispus / David S. Michaels
Centurio Pilus Prior,
Legio VI VPF
CA, USA
"Oderint dum probent."
Tiberius
Centurio Pilus Prior,
Legio VI VPF
CA, USA
"Oderint dum probent."
Tiberius
