Arthurian stuff

[Robert Vermaat]

It's something very common with modern discussions: 'this guy is this guys is really this giu'. I'm currently 'in discussion' on Arthurnet with someone who says that Vortigern was a title, that the man really was named 'superbus': Gildas' 'proud usurper', superbus tyrannus used as a common name! That name was subsequently 'translated' all of a sudden to Deroc, an early king of Brittany, who in a very late document is made son of a Guitolinus (hence the connection to Vortigern son of Guitolinus). the name Deroc would then mean 'haughty' and 'therefore' be the same as Superbus ('proud').

You're still with me?

Well, Deroc had a son, Riwal, who then would 'have to be' Vortimer, who indeed miraculously did not die as all the sources claim, but became a king in Brittany uinder a different name, as his father Vortigern did not die in Wales as all the sources claim, but became king Deroc. Vortimer's brothers Pascent and Catigern also 'must have had' Roman names, but this time of course without any reasoning behind it. And of course no explanation why the sources were so very wrong and why these men all had double careers and double lives.. hey wait a minute, maybe they were different people! :mrgreen:

Sigh..