The Votadini exodus to Wales

[Arturus Uriconium]

Anyway, that's the death of Maelgwn, and we want to accession date, which no-one is providing us with. Gildas tells us that Mealgwn ousted his uncle (and I take that he meant that this was the moment when he took the throne as well) 'While still a youth', probably his early 20s. Date-guessing the floruit of Maelgwn is however even more hazardoes, because if we use the (12th c. and later) pedigrees of the kings of Gwynedd, it's easy to see that usual '30 years to a generation' brings us into trouble with date-guessing (which is, unlike the name suggests, not a game for girls concerning who they bring to the prom 8) ).

Hey Robert, here's one of those worms you mentioned: Gildas tells us that it was Maelgwn's avunculus he "oppressed" in his youth. That is his maternal uncle. So it couldn't be referring to good old Uncle Owein.

Mak