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Full Circle Panuela ?
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Martin wrote:

Quote:I'm with Graham in that a paenula of half-cicular/-oval (or a bit more than that) cut is the way to go.

Well it is no theory of mine I am only going by the original surviving cloaks rather than attempting to interpret measurements or shapes from the sculptural sources alone. There are still similar designs of cloaks made by the Berbers in the Atlas mountains.

The dimensions for a military Sagum style cloak in the papyrus document BGU1564 are 2.66m long x 1.77m wide. This corresponds to the Thorsberg cloak which is 2.50m x 1.68m or a cloak from Nahal Hever which was 2.70m x 1.40m. So Sagum cloaks are roughly envelope shaped rather than square. ( Robert are you confusing folding in half to 'double' the thickness, rather than 'double' the measurement?)

There was a smaller cloak the Sagulum and undercloaks or overcoats for extra warmth.

A late Roman circular (oval shaped) cloak without a hood found in Egypt was 2.86m x 2.42m


Hope this helps.

Graham.
"Is all that we see or seem but a dream within a dream" Edgar Allan Poe.

"Every brush-stroke is torn from my body" The Rebel, Tony Hancock.

"..I sweated in that damn dirty armor....TWENTY YEARS!', Charlton Heston, The Warlord.
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Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 10-27-2006, 12:52 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Magnus - 10-27-2006, 01:20 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 10-27-2006, 01:37 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by M. Demetrius - 10-27-2006, 03:05 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by John M McDermott - 10-27-2006, 05:12 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 10-27-2006, 05:45 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 10-27-2006, 06:47 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by M. Demetrius - 10-28-2006, 02:55 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 10-28-2006, 07:05 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by M. Demetrius - 10-28-2006, 03:29 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Tarbicus - 10-28-2006, 03:34 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by M. Demetrius - 10-28-2006, 04:02 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 10-28-2006, 04:26 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Tarbicus - 10-28-2006, 04:46 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Marsinius - 10-31-2006, 01:49 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by M. Demetrius - 10-31-2006, 02:07 PM
cloaks. - by Graham Sumner - 10-31-2006, 02:11 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 10-31-2006, 02:38 PM
Re: cloaks. - by Robert Vermaat - 10-31-2006, 03:26 PM
cloak - by Graham Sumner - 10-31-2006, 03:42 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 10-31-2006, 05:08 PM
Buttons - toggles - by scott - 11-01-2006, 12:29 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-01-2006, 12:32 PM
cloaks - by Graham Sumner - 11-01-2006, 01:50 PM
Re: cloaks - by M. CVRIVS ALEXANDER - 11-01-2006, 02:03 PM
cloak - by Graham Sumner - 11-01-2006, 04:48 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-01-2006, 07:03 PM
Cloak - by Graham Sumner - 11-01-2006, 07:09 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-01-2006, 07:21 PM
Cloak - by Graham Sumner - 11-01-2006, 07:28 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-01-2006, 07:43 PM
cloaks - by Graham Sumner - 11-01-2006, 08:24 PM
Button holes - by QFirmus - 11-01-2006, 09:18 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Crispvs - 11-01-2006, 10:05 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Marcus Mummius - 11-01-2006, 10:42 PM
Toggles - fasteners - by scott - 11-02-2006, 10:14 AM
cloak - by Graham Sumner - 11-02-2006, 10:43 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-02-2006, 01:46 PM
cloak - by Graham Sumner - 11-02-2006, 02:13 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Marcus Mummius - 11-02-2006, 02:52 PM
Re: Toggles - fasteners - by Matt Lukes - 11-02-2006, 06:41 PM
Re: cloaks - by Matt Lukes - 11-02-2006, 06:48 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Crispvs - 11-02-2006, 08:06 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Crispvs - 11-04-2006, 06:26 AM
books - by Graham Sumner - 11-05-2006, 12:04 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by marsvigilia - 11-05-2006, 10:19 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by marsvigilia - 11-06-2006, 05:46 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Martin Moser - 11-06-2006, 07:07 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Robert Vermaat - 11-06-2006, 07:34 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Martin Moser - 11-06-2006, 08:51 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Martin Moser - 11-06-2006, 09:08 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Martin Moser - 11-06-2006, 09:42 AM
cloaks - by Graham Sumner - 11-06-2006, 10:25 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by aitor iriarte - 11-06-2006, 10:41 AM
Re: cloaks - by Martin Moser - 11-06-2006, 10:42 AM
cloak - by Graham Sumner - 11-06-2006, 11:05 AM
Re: cloaks - by Robert Vermaat - 11-06-2006, 11:06 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by aitor iriarte - 11-06-2006, 11:12 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Graham Sumner - 11-06-2006, 11:37 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by aitor iriarte - 11-06-2006, 11:54 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-06-2006, 12:35 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by aitor iriarte - 11-06-2006, 12:43 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-06-2006, 01:08 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by aitor iriarte - 11-06-2006, 01:16 PM
cloak - by Graham Sumner - 11-06-2006, 02:01 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by aitor iriarte - 11-06-2006, 05:55 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-09-2006, 02:58 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-09-2006, 06:21 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-09-2006, 07:18 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by aitor iriarte - 11-09-2006, 07:47 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-09-2006, 07:51 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-09-2006, 08:25 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-09-2006, 09:16 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-09-2006, 10:08 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by M. Demetrius - 11-09-2006, 11:49 PM
cloaks - by Graham Sumner - 11-10-2006, 12:10 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-10-2006, 12:14 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-10-2006, 12:56 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by aitor iriarte - 11-10-2006, 11:22 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-11-2006, 06:10 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Martin Moser - 11-11-2006, 09:43 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-11-2006, 06:22 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by M. Demetrius - 11-13-2006, 01:16 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Graham Sumner - 11-13-2006, 01:51 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-16-2006, 05:49 AM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 11-16-2006, 12:41 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by marsvigilia - 11-16-2006, 02:47 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Marcus Mummius - 11-18-2006, 03:30 PM
cloaks - by Graham Sumner - 11-18-2006, 05:03 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Marcus Mummius - 11-18-2006, 05:17 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Matt Lukes - 11-18-2006, 06:11 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Primvs Pavlvs - 12-14-2006, 08:12 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Martin Wallgren - 12-14-2006, 08:15 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by John Conyard - 06-25-2007, 06:45 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Salvianus - 06-25-2007, 09:36 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Salvianus - 06-25-2007, 10:00 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by John Conyard - 06-26-2007, 04:28 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Salvianus - 06-26-2007, 06:43 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by John Conyard - 06-26-2007, 06:53 PM
Re: Full Circle Panuela ? - by Salvianus - 06-26-2007, 09:24 PM

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