10-17-2005, 10:50 PM
Some good points there, Matt.
True - all countries are born in blood. The Iceni were no less 'imperialists' than the Romans.
Again, true. BUT I think moral equivalency should be avoided at all costs. SOMEONE is the better - to what degree is a matter of debate. Otherwise you get bad films like 'Alexander' and 'Kingdom of Heaven'.
"Troy" was better than those, IMO. And they demonized Agamemnon
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It's impossible to identify with Colin Ferral or Orlando Bloom since their characters are so morally ambiguous at best. At the very least I expected Darius to be portrayed as a tyrant who was behind Philip's assassination. That was probably what really happened historically anyway. But both Scott and Stone wanted to be really PC about their subjects.
Yes, great movies. But if you'll notice in those films you cite that there's no central character (at least an historical one). Those movies are closer to being documentaries.
About upcoming "Boudicca", I hope they don't go over the top showing her personally killing Romans right and left from her chariot. :roll:
Like Caesar she probably stayed well behind the line as a rallying point. I doubt she was the chief strategist of the rebellion, more likely just a figure head. I don't think Mel will let it get out of control though . :wink:
Quote:The Celts did nasty things so did the Picts, the Romans, the Carthaginians, the Macedonians, the Persians... it's only human.
True - all countries are born in blood. The Iceni were no less 'imperialists' than the Romans.
Quote:... and it's NEVER the case that one side was completely evil and the other was saintly good.
Again, true. BUT I think moral equivalency should be avoided at all costs. SOMEONE is the better - to what degree is a matter of debate. Otherwise you get bad films like 'Alexander' and 'Kingdom of Heaven'.
"Troy" was better than those, IMO. And they demonized Agamemnon
.It's impossible to identify with Colin Ferral or Orlando Bloom since their characters are so morally ambiguous at best. At the very least I expected Darius to be portrayed as a tyrant who was behind Philip's assassination. That was probably what really happened historically anyway. But both Scott and Stone wanted to be really PC about their subjects.
Quote:The only historical films I truly have respect for are ones that just show everyone as people- 'The Longest Day', 'Tora, Tora, Tora', 'The Eagle Has Landed' all come to mind as good films because they do this
Yes, great movies. But if you'll notice in those films you cite that there's no central character (at least an historical one). Those movies are closer to being documentaries.
About upcoming "Boudicca", I hope they don't go over the top showing her personally killing Romans right and left from her chariot. :roll:
Like Caesar she probably stayed well behind the line as a rallying point. I doubt she was the chief strategist of the rebellion, more likely just a figure head. I don't think Mel will let it get out of control though . :wink:
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