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Terp Tritzum
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I said probably with the Frisiavones, a lot of tribes were determined by whether they had or hadn't signed a treaty with Rome and whom the treaty was signed with, but again I said this doesn't have to be true to distinguish them. They could have simply been another tribe or another name.

You cannot truly call the Chauchi "Proto-Saxons" because you have to remember that these were confederations - tribes joined and left them all the time.

The Placidi could have been raised in 414, hadn't thought of that. I still think 419 is more likely as Galla Placidia did not have Valentinianus in her name. I also said 425 because he was crowned in Ravenna in 425, and the Placidi are a Western set of units.

The Salian franks may have still remained in the area, but they couldn't claim the area as theirs as the Romans had control of it. They wouldn't overrun it again until after Aetius' death - Sidonius and Hydatius record that the Suebes capture Spain, the Visigoths expand through the rest of Aquitaine, and the Franks and Alemanni come back accross the Rhine in 455 because there was no capable general to oppose them. Also Merovaeus (Merovech) is still a conjectured name - we know the younger son of Chlodio became the King right after Chalons, but he was the adopted son of Aetius and did not oppose Roman dominion under Aetius' reign. After his reign he probably thought he had a right to that land to avenge the death of his father in law. Furthermore, he was not the Magister Militum per Gallias after Aetius was bumped up to MUM Junior in 429, because either Avitus or Litorius (more likely Avitus) became MUM per Gallias in 429 or 430. After Litorius whom was MUM per Gallias in 435-439, its likely Aegidius became MUM per Gallias and Majoran a comes of Gaul.

As to Alan settlement in Gaul, the Chronica Gallia 452, and other sources, record Goar (who had turned to the Roman side in 406) settling in the area between the Loire and the Seine based out of Aurelianum in 442.

Augustodunum is Clermont (Sidonius Apollinaris' city) where Alans under Sambida were settled in 440 and remained there until the 470's (Sidonius states that cataphracts under command of an Alan whose name I can't remember fought off the Visigoths from Clermont).

The Notitia Digntiatum lists Sarmatians in Paris (possibly Goar) and Au... (trails off, incomplete) which might be Aurelianum.
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Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-08-2013, 09:27 PM
Terp Tritzum - by PhilusEstilius - 10-09-2013, 12:16 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Simplex - 10-09-2013, 09:55 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-09-2013, 10:03 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-09-2013, 10:26 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Robert Vermaat - 10-11-2013, 12:41 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-11-2013, 03:33 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Nathan Ross - 10-11-2013, 06:37 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-11-2013, 07:49 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Robert Vermaat - 10-14-2013, 08:08 AM
Terp Tritzum - by Robert Vermaat - 10-14-2013, 11:25 AM
Terp Tritzum - by Robert Vermaat - 10-14-2013, 11:38 AM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-14-2013, 02:46 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Robert Vermaat - 10-15-2013, 12:46 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Nathan Ross - 10-15-2013, 12:56 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Robert Vermaat - 10-15-2013, 01:26 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-15-2013, 08:03 PM
Terp Tritzum - by ValentinianVictrix - 10-16-2013, 10:42 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Michael Kerr - 10-17-2013, 12:55 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-17-2013, 02:29 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Robert Vermaat - 10-18-2013, 12:30 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Robert Vermaat - 10-18-2013, 12:36 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-18-2013, 02:00 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Michael Kerr - 10-18-2013, 03:49 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-18-2013, 07:00 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Flavivs Aetivs - 10-18-2013, 07:01 PM
Terp Tritzum - by Michael Kerr - 10-19-2013, 04:43 PM
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