11-13-2012, 11:37 PM
Quote:diegis post=324021 Wrote:First, the Goths was a heterogenous people in which Dacians was an important presence.No they were not. We discussed this at great length (10 pages!! so I'm not going to repeat it all again here), but you never presented undisputed evidence for a Dacian sub-group (let alone an important one) as part of the Goths. No use bringing that all up again.
If anyone wants to re-read this: http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/25-alli...?start=180
Well, archaeology clearly show that Santana de Mures-Cerneakov culture, which everyone consider is the Goths culture, is in large part of Dacian origin.
More then that, Dacians was spread too in Poland (right in the area from supposedly "Goths" moved closer to Black Sea) and even Germania or Jutlanda
http://www.academia.edu/1455259/New_evid...ral_Poland
This is a map with findings of a specific type of bracelet/armlet, originating in Dacia and used by Dacian nobles. But in the article are mentioned as well coins and specific Dacian pottery
The most northern finding is not far from Jutlanda and Baltic Sea shores, the most southern is not far from Danube, and there are lots of them near Dacian capital area at Sarmizegetusa.
We have even ancient writings like those from Agrippa (the one who made the Roman empire map too) and who said:
“Dacia, Getico finiuntur ab oriente desertis Sarmatiae, ab occidente flumine Vistula, a septentrione Oceano, a meridie flumine Histro. Quae patent in longitudine milia passuum CCLXXX, in latitudine qua cogitum est milia passuum CCCLXXXVI”
And later Ptolemy too who said something similar about Dacians towns in those areas
And of course, Goths was many times called Getae (Dacians) even before Jordanes, but no one ever related them with Germanics. As in that previous discussion, i do think however that they was a congolomerate of people with a kinda fluid ethnic composition, and Germans was too part of that at some point
Razvan A.