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09-12-2012, 01:28 PM

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Gaius Julius Caesar post=320268 Wrote:The one group recorded as swimming in their kit fully armoured were the Batavians.
It was one of their claims to fame which made them a specialist Auxillia unit.

however, watching the 'swimmer' he was not exactly doing what the whole group do. Looked more like he was being made to put his money where his mouth was. :grin: And it doesn't look like his feet have left the bottom. The guy in the seg is wadeing too. Ive seen that picture before on ~FB as well. Great photos though.
The guy in mail looks like he was swimming properly, albeit with no extra kit (not even a sword belt - is he being punished?!). There's an interesting video here showing a guy from the MyArmoury forums trying to swim in plate armour - he manages ten feet in forward stroke, proving that falling into water wasn't an immediate death sentance in plate. With intensive, specialist trianing, it might be possible to swim in such a weight. That harness weighed 50lbs, for the sake of comparison.

In the case of the Batavians, I think the usual interpretation is that they swam with their horses, which could presumably carry the weight of the soldier's weapons leaving the Batavian either in his undergarments or armoured (mail might be worse than plate in this regard however). Anyone know how buoyant an auxiliary shield might be?

Yes, I am aware of that. I'm pretty sure the horses did most of the work! Also most soldiers would remove their kit and keep it out of the water. I wonder how bouyant any shield is to be honest.
However, I disagree on the guy in mail, he is taking water, he may have swan a couple of strokes, if that.

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Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Aulus Maximus - 09-01-2012, 06:18 PM

Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Aulus Maximus - 09-01-2012, 06:50 PM

Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Marcus Aemilius Longinus - 09-01-2012, 08:12 PM

Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Neuraleanus - 09-01-2012, 08:13 PM

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Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Márk György Kis - 09-01-2012, 09:17 PM

Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Aulus Maximus - 09-01-2012, 09:33 PM

Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Jim Bertagnolli - 09-02-2012, 12:48 AM

Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 09-02-2012, 12:57 AM

Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Marcus Aemilius Longinus - 09-02-2012, 03:34 AM

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Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Aulus Maximus - 09-02-2012, 05:10 AM

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Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Aulus Maximus - 09-02-2012, 09:19 PM

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Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-03-2012, 01:21 PM

Re: Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-03-2012, 01:48 PM

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Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by John Conyard - 09-03-2012, 05:15 PM

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Why do 1st Century Roman groups avoid combat - by Robert - 09-06-2012, 01:35 AM

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