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Profile of a mid 5th century Roman soldier.
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ValentinianVictrix post=302470 Wrote:There is some evidence that a 'typical' Late Roman infantry man during the late 5th Century AD would have worn a tunic and trousers in the 'Gothic' style.
I'm sure you can tell me more about why 'typical' infantry wore Gothic tunics and trousers, as well as what a 'typical' Gothic tunic and pair of trousers looked like?

Quote: Vegetius, possibly writing in the early part of the 5th Century, stated that the pilum was still in use by the infantry but was rarely used.
Vegetius also wrote that the Roman soldiers no longer wore armour, and we know that's nonsense from a number of sources. No evidence for such a late use of the pilum anywhere, or it must have been the germanic counterpart, the angon.

I'm surprised you are apparently unaware of the reasons behind this post Robert.
Ok, the evidence for my statement is as thus-

From 382AD onwards the Late Roman's became increasingly reliant on Germanic 'barbarian' recruits, in the main mostly from the Goths, especially from Italy eastwards. The Column of Arcadius, erected in 401 AD to celebrate the victory over Gainas in 400AD, and only completed in 421 AD, shows caputured Goths who were under Gainas command. Some have a mail hauberk with long trousers, others have only a tunic and long trousers. These troops were technically 'Roman' in that Gainas himself was a Roman military commander, attaining the rank of Magister Militum, and incorporated Count Tribigild's forces with his own. So we may say that those Goth's were typical 'Roman' soldiers under a Gothic commander at the time. Now, your statement about Vegetius claiming that the infantry during his day were unarmoured being wrong is correct but only upto a point. We have no idea about the troops Vegetius had contact with, for all we know the only troops he ever saw were unarmoured Gothic auxilia, he may never have seen a legionary unit at all during his life as we do not really know where he was when he composed his Epitome.

Maurice's Strategikon, admittedly written at least 70 years after the period covered in this thread describes the clothing to be worn by the infantry as- '...either Gothic tunics coming down to their knees (as shown on the Column of Arcadius) or short ones split up the sides. They should have Gothic shoes with thick soles, broad toes, plain stiching, and fastened with no more than two clasps; the soles should be studded with a few small nails for greater durability. Boots or greaves are not required, for they are unsuitable for marching and, if worn, slow one down. Their mantles should be simple, not like Bulgarian cloaks. Their hair should be cut short, and it is better if it is not allowed to grow long.' Infantry at this stage only had body armour for the front two ranks at the very most, the rest were unarmoured. they were still armed with a spear, javelin, darts and sword, and had the typical Late Roman large oval shield.

As to the use of the Pilum, Vegetius is quite certain it was still in use, but rarely so, and that the 'barbarian shield-bearing infantry use these particularly, calling them bebrae...(and not Angons as you suggested)'
Adrian Coombs-Hoar
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Re: Profile of a mid 5th century Roman soldier. - by Andres - 12-20-2011, 01:11 PM
Re: Profile of a mid 5th century Roman soldier. - by ValentinianVictrix - 12-22-2011, 01:07 AM

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