11-28-2011, 02:55 AM
Quote:Hi Sean,
Sean Manning post=300254 Wrote:Robert, are you sure? Round and oblong shields are rarely wider than 90 cm, so normally if you have significant overlap between shields you are closer than 2 cubits per file.Indeed, when they are overlapping you are in synaspismos, very close order. I don't think that Vegetius had that in mind: close order sure, but not as packed as it would get with overlapping shields.
Quote:(Incidentally, that translation of Vegetius has a misprint; he says that one thousand six hundred and sixty six men fit into a mile. One Roman mile is 5,000 Roman feet, and 3 x 1666 = 4998).Well spotted! My Milner indeed has 1666. I was in a hurry and did not do the math.![]()
Quote: I'm not sure if I agree that shields, in general, are designed to overlap; do you mean late Roman shields?Indeed, Late Roman shields, which I think were designed to overlap.
Quote:Of course these numbers are approximate- soldiers probably measured the right space by eye and by using their arms as two-cubit measure- but they work as rules of thumb.Vegetius as well as Maurice are of course writing a treatise (although Maurice had experience in the field, which shows), but you are correct - a lot would have been different in practice.
Yes, I have a word document saved of how to make a late roman shield and it seems like when finished they were easily designed to overlap into a shieldwall sort of thing like you guys re-enact.
I would argue 3 feet is enough to fight in, provided you are only using thrusts with a spear or sword and are hiding behind your shield.
Also, I thought the romans didn't use the cubit...
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