11-29-2009, 03:09 AM
Brian, you're erroneously presuming everybody with a viewpoint would post here- I have private conversations too LOL And it's irrlevant how long or whom uses the term- thus far, no real good reason to use it has been presented. Lots of 'I like it', 'others use it for centuries' and such but none of those is reasonable. Is there one proper reason to use the term bell cap for a donut washer? Just one? What I showed a picture of is very different to the washer- it is a bell cap, but it's a bell and it's a cap LOL It's quite different and thus, as I've already said, it makes no sense to use the same term for both.
And Brian are you suggesting that the artifact versions, which we still haven't seen, are different than the modern version? Jurjen's reconstruction's centre goes right to the plane of the outer rim- but it's like I said way back, it's not good to judge anything by a recreation when we're unaware of the actual appearance of the real thing.
And why separate the how to from the nomenclature discussion? The title of the how to is the thing in contention, and leaving that apart from the discussion will make it seem like an acceptable term for the piece, when clearly it's not so much...
To be honest, I'm tiring of the non-debate anyway- I've said my piece about it not being either a bell or a cap and not fitting the definition, and there being a modern version that seems the same with a real name, with no counter, nothing's moving from the original positions. I'm always going to see this as a washer, if others want to call it a bell cap, have at 'er :roll: If anyone has an actual argument for the term, PLEASE present it as if it does work for some reason I can't fathom, I'd love to know. And if there's more evidence for it being proper to use beyond one belt mentioned, that'd be useful to know too. It'd be a mistake to consider it proper to use commonly unless there's support for that.
And Brian are you suggesting that the artifact versions, which we still haven't seen, are different than the modern version? Jurjen's reconstruction's centre goes right to the plane of the outer rim- but it's like I said way back, it's not good to judge anything by a recreation when we're unaware of the actual appearance of the real thing.
And why separate the how to from the nomenclature discussion? The title of the how to is the thing in contention, and leaving that apart from the discussion will make it seem like an acceptable term for the piece, when clearly it's not so much...
To be honest, I'm tiring of the non-debate anyway- I've said my piece about it not being either a bell or a cap and not fitting the definition, and there being a modern version that seems the same with a real name, with no counter, nothing's moving from the original positions. I'm always going to see this as a washer, if others want to call it a bell cap, have at 'er :roll: If anyone has an actual argument for the term, PLEASE present it as if it does work for some reason I can't fathom, I'd love to know. And if there's more evidence for it being proper to use beyond one belt mentioned, that'd be useful to know too. It'd be a mistake to consider it proper to use commonly unless there's support for that.
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