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Greek helmets galore
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09-25-2009, 03:06 AM
I suggest you look without prejudice on some vase-paintings (eg from Euphronios) depicting warriors with upturned helmets and tell me: Wouldn't the pulled back helmet fall down backwards?

You're right, the mixing of elements was quite common concerning helmets, look only on the "piloid"-helmets which combine a pilos-like-shape with a frontlet akin to an attic helmet.
My definition of an hellenistic attic helmet ist the mentioned construction out of seven pieces. The mentioned precursor is preserved for instance in the iron-helmet from Vergina, but the seven-piece-construction is more evident on a helmet from Canosa. This precursor is also depicted on coins from Orthagoreia.

And you're right, I can't be 100% sure in attributing fragments to one particular type. But at least the attribution of the "triangle"-pieces ist undoubtable, because they appear solely on the hellenistic attic helmets. The type-attribution of the other (all published) fragments wasn't made by me, I follow convincing theories.

Quote:I am trying to find information about this (apparently unprovenanced) helmet because it seems to have been found with remnants of mail, which would make it an extremely important Hellenistic find. Macedonia seems a likely provenance, though, given that a fairly well-preserved helmet of this type was found in Upper Macedonia in a 2nd c. BC cavalryman's grave.

Could you please tell me more?
Jörg
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Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-23-2009, 05:32 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 05:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-23-2009, 06:44 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:23 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-23-2009, 08:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 03:25 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 03:36 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:11 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:18 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 09-24-2009, 11:28 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:41 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 11:43 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 11:46 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 09-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 09-24-2009, 01:08 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-24-2009, 04:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 05:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 06:17 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 07:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-24-2009, 08:17 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-24-2009, 09:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 09:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-24-2009, 10:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 01:24 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-25-2009, 02:01 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 03:06 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-25-2009, 04:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 04:32 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 12:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-25-2009, 12:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Matt Lukes - 09-25-2009, 02:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-25-2009, 06:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-25-2009, 09:38 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 09:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 09-25-2009, 10:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 05:07 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 08:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-26-2009, 08:50 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-26-2009, 08:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-27-2009, 01:56 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-27-2009, 12:00 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-27-2009, 06:08 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-28-2009, 10:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-28-2009, 11:10 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-29-2009, 11:25 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 09-30-2009, 03:44 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Ghostmojo - 09-30-2009, 07:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-30-2009, 04:42 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 05:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 06:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-30-2009, 06:23 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 06:36 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 09-30-2009, 07:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 08:24 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 09:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 09-30-2009, 10:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 12:37 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Ghostmojo - 10-01-2009, 08:41 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 10:36 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 12:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 04:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-01-2009, 05:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 05:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-01-2009, 06:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-01-2009, 06:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 07:01 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-01-2009, 07:21 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 07:51 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-01-2009, 07:53 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-01-2009, 11:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-02-2009, 12:12 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-02-2009, 01:12 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-08-2009, 08:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-08-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-09-2009, 10:55 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-09-2009, 02:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-09-2009, 05:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-09-2009, 05:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-09-2009, 05:22 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-10-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 10-11-2009, 06:49 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 09:27 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Lýsandros - 10-13-2009, 12:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-13-2009, 01:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Peter Raftos - 10-13-2009, 02:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 10-13-2009, 04:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 04:29 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 04:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 04:43 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 04:46 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-13-2009, 05:04 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 05:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 06:16 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 06:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 06:34 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 06:54 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 07:02 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-13-2009, 07:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 08:10 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-13-2009, 08:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-13-2009, 08:39 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-13-2009, 10:00 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 10:49 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 03:27 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 04:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 06:15 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 07:16 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-14-2009, 07:44 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 08:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-14-2009, 08:37 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 09:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-14-2009, 09:48 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-14-2009, 09:57 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 12:34 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 01:16 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 01:42 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 02:07 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 03:05 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 03:30 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 04:24 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 05:35 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-15-2009, 07:19 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 01:20 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Cincinnatus - 10-15-2009, 04:33 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-15-2009, 04:42 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-15-2009, 04:51 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Kineas - 10-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-15-2009, 08:58 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-23-2009, 04:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 10-24-2009, 12:14 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Matt Lukes - 10-25-2009, 03:35 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by MeinPanzer - 10-25-2009, 06:59 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Tarbicus - 10-25-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PhilusEstilius - 10-25-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Jasper Oorthuys - 10-27-2009, 08:23 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 10-27-2009, 09:22 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-17-2009, 11:12 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-17-2009, 11:19 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-18-2009, 12:24 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 11-19-2009, 09:18 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-19-2009, 10:13 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Dan Howard - 11-20-2009, 12:47 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-20-2009, 01:35 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-20-2009, 01:55 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2009, 02:09 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 11-21-2009, 03:31 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-21-2009, 03:53 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by PMBardunias - 11-21-2009, 02:40 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 11-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-21-2009, 02:49 PM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-22-2009, 07:07 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by Paullus Scipio - 11-22-2009, 07:19 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by The Oracle - 11-22-2009, 01:09 PM
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Re: Greek helmets galore - by Peter Raftos - 11-23-2009, 08:16 AM
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Re: Greek helmets galore - by Peter Raftos - 04-11-2010, 03:38 AM
Re: Greek helmets galore - by rocktupac - 04-11-2010, 10:16 AM
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