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Hoplite - History of the word
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Quote:There are in fact two 'types" described. Sometimes spear-fencing from about 5' is probably indicated. At other times it is shield on shield as perhaps first described by Tyrtaeous, but best seen in Xenophon's post mordem of Coronea- crushed shields and swords stuck in bodies. Both occurred in most battles of the classical period.

I imagine that it really comes down to the Greek used. Me? I have to make do with translations as my own aren't that good ( i've been at it a while and it's time for at least a summer Uni course...). Meantime I rely on the fact that "hand to hand" is exactly that. Pelopidas engaed in such at Cynoschepalae with Alexander's mercenaries. They did not: "most of them fought at longer range, thrusting their spears through his armour and covering him with wounds". I'd disagree that spears at a distance qualifies as "hand to hand".

The hoplites in Diodorus' description of second Mantinea clearly indicates serious hand to hand . To my mind, these battling hoplites are not shield to shield with their mates. They are "locked" with their opposites; giving as they get in sword fights. This, clearly to me, means hoplites able to move, dodge and parry with a shield whilst thrusting and slashing with a xiphos. This is near "open order" fighting surely?
Paralus|Michael Park

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Hoplite - History of the word - by Timotheus - 07-22-2009, 01:20 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Timotheus - 07-22-2009, 10:01 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Vincula - 07-23-2009, 06:02 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Phalanx300 - 07-24-2009, 01:05 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Timotheus - 07-24-2009, 02:21 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Idomeneas - 07-25-2009, 03:12 AM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Idomeneas - 07-25-2009, 11:18 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Kineas - 07-31-2009, 09:44 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Copenhagen - 08-10-2009, 12:32 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Kineas - 08-10-2009, 01:18 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Kineas - 08-10-2009, 02:10 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Kineas - 08-10-2009, 07:13 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by nikolaos - 08-10-2009, 07:30 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Kineas - 08-11-2009, 01:47 AM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Copenhagen - 08-11-2009, 09:45 AM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by nikolaos - 08-11-2009, 01:29 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Paralus - 08-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by nikolaos - 08-12-2009, 12:32 AM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Paralus - 08-12-2009, 02:47 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Paralus - 08-13-2009, 01:35 AM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Paralus - 08-13-2009, 09:22 AM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Paralus - 08-13-2009, 10:24 PM
Re: Hoplite - History of the word - by Paralus - 08-14-2009, 12:30 AM

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