How To.. wear the Pugio and Gladius (belts, fasteners)

[Tarbicus]

Jim The frogs on a beltplate are firmly fixed to the plate the plate is firmly riveted to the belt which if we think of cow hide it may be around 3mm thick. This SINGLE cloak fastener that we see in Miks drawings has a shank that comes down some 5-10mm before it turns through a right angle which would flop around all over.

But if the shank is shorter then can it be pushed through the leather at all with that button at an angle? I seriously doubt it - it needs some leeway. The button wouldn't have been riveted on after the shank alone was pushed through the belt, and that would be the only reason for the fastener to be flush. Furthermore, surely the whole idea of it being used on clothing is moot as the shank would be way to long by your same reasoning?

How many pugio frogs have been dug up in pairs, even ones attached to a pugio ring?