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Carrhae - could Crassus have won?
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Crassus made all the bad moves one could make.<br>
The first one was a strategic error which several other Romans did: he tought that invading Parthia would be a piece of cake, Alexander the Great's style.<br>
Three centuries later the emperors Valerian, then Julian made the same mistake. Some people never learn.<br>
But it happens so that the Parthians/Persians had learned the lessons of the past regarding fighting a set piece battle with an european army (See Alexander..)<br>
And they did not fight set piece battles any longer. They used the very efficient combination horse archer/heavy cavalry, perfectly adapted to harass and evade the roman foot soldiers.<br>
To this strategic error may be added faulty intelligence, or rather contempt for the enemy's tactics, which has always been a big mistake.<br>
The second error was logistic and stems from the first one: namely he did not have the right equipment/troops. Not near enough horse and no missile troops. I suspect that a couple of cohorts of slingers/bowmen would have saved the day.<br>
The third error was tactical: he was led by the nose, by a "guide" obviously at the Parthian's service, to the very unfavourable place the Surena wanted him to be.<br>
A second tactical error was to use his cavalry as an offensive force instead of as a screen for his infantry.<br>
As for the penetrating power of bows, we must realize that the Parthian horse archers shot at almost point blank range: the legionaries had no missiles to keep them at bay.<br>
At a distance of say, twenty feet or less, a bodkin arrow shot with a bow drawing 75 pounds will go easily through armour, whether it be mail or plate. Unless some kind of hardened steel is used like in the later middle ages, I suspect it will rip open the mail --even riveted-- and punch through iron plate like the umbos of the legionaries' shields. <p></p><i></i>
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Carrhae - could Crassus have won? - by A Hen - 03-21-2005, 08:14 AM
Re: Carrhae - could Crassus have won? - by A Hen - 03-21-2005, 09:16 AM
Parthia - by Theodosius the Great - 03-21-2005, 09:21 AM
Re: Parthia - by A Hen - 03-21-2005, 09:24 AM
Re: Parthia - by A Hen - 03-21-2005, 09:29 AM
Re: Parthia - by A Hen - 03-21-2005, 09:43 AM
my two cents - by Goffredo - 03-21-2005, 12:50 PM
re:my two cents - by Anonymous - 03-21-2005, 06:07 PM
the Parthian bow - by Q Rutilius - 03-21-2005, 09:35 PM
Re: the Parthian bow - by Anonymous - 03-21-2005, 10:16 PM
the Parthian bow bit - by Goffredo - 03-22-2005, 08:07 AM
Re: the Parthian bow bit - by Alexandr K - 03-22-2005, 08:21 AM
Re: the Parthian bow bit - by A Hen - 03-22-2005, 08:34 AM
Re: the Parthian bow bit - by Robert Vermaat - 03-23-2005, 08:45 AM
Re: the Parthian bow bit - by A Hen - 03-23-2005, 09:19 AM
Crassus - by Anonymous - 03-23-2005, 02:47 PM
Re: the Parthian bow bit - by Robert Vermaat - 03-23-2005, 03:15 PM
Re: the Parthian bow bit - by Alexandr K - 03-23-2005, 04:31 PM
Caesar and bows - by Anonymous - 03-23-2005, 04:53 PM
Re: Caesar and bows - by Alexandr K - 03-23-2005, 05:22 PM
Re: Caesar and bows - by Alexandr K - 03-24-2005, 10:42 AM
Horse and foot - by Anonymous - 03-24-2005, 03:12 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by John Maddox Roberts - 03-24-2005, 03:52 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by A Hen - 03-24-2005, 04:12 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by Anonymous - 03-24-2005, 04:20 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by A Hen - 03-24-2005, 05:05 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by John Maddox Roberts - 03-24-2005, 10:05 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by Anonymous - 03-24-2005, 11:40 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by Alexandr K - 03-25-2005, 09:48 AM
Re: Horse and foot - by John M McDermott - 03-25-2005, 06:14 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by Anonymous - 03-25-2005, 11:03 PM
Re: Horse and foot - by Come in Nighthawk - 03-26-2005, 04:24 AM
don\'t have to wait a century - by Goffredo - 03-26-2005, 09:17 AM
Re: don\'t have to wait a century - by Alexandr K - 03-26-2005, 08:51 PM
Re: don\'t have to wait a century - by A Hen - 03-28-2005, 04:34 PM
Re: don\'t have to wait a century - by Alexandr K - 03-29-2005, 08:42 AM
Re: don\'t have to wait a century - by Anonymous - 03-29-2005, 06:27 PM
comments - by Felix - 03-30-2005, 11:02 PM
Re: comments - by John M McDermott - 03-31-2005, 12:06 AM
Re: comments - by Marcus Seneca Cato - 03-31-2005, 04:29 AM
Re: comments - by John M McDermott - 03-31-2005, 11:50 PM
Re: comments - by Goffredo - 04-01-2005, 06:36 AM
Sling - by Anonymous - 04-01-2005, 11:38 AM
Re: the Parthian bow bit - by Timotheus - 06-13-2008, 06:25 PM
Re: Carrhae - could Crassus have won? - by Komet - 06-15-2008, 12:04 AM
Re: Carrhae - could Crassus have won? - by fasta - 10-31-2008, 06:21 PM
Re: Carrhae - could Crassus have won? - by Gregg - 11-05-2008, 02:07 AM

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