02-15-2005, 06:30 PM
Graham, Dr. D/Amato et al:<br>
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I, for one, would be very interested in seeing a bronze lorica segmentata, which is why I posted this in the first place. I can't, on the surface, think of why such a thing would not exist. Yet until now, despite bronze having far superior survival characteristics than iron, the only bronze (more properly, orichalcum) lorica fragments we have come across are hinges, buckles, bosses, hooks, rivets, girth loops and the like. We have found entire iron plates edged in brass (Kalkriese), but no brass plates that can be positively identified to have come from a lorica seg, as opposed to a manica or thigh defense.<br>
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That is why I was very curious to find the source for your postings about a bronze lorica seg having been found in Bulgaria, and why I went so far as to try to track down the volume you identified as the source for this report. I shall have to have another look at the journal, for I do not recall having come across any references like the one you cite. Perhaps it is a different publication.<br>
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However, as per Mike Bishop's posting above, it seems quite possible that the identification of these plate fragments as being from a lorica segmentata, as opposed to from the well-documented manica (which is, after all, another form of segmented armor), is premature. Even the passage you quoted, which refers to the parts being held together with "small nails with flat caps," sounds more like a description of a manica than a lorica. The author also does not insist that this is a lorica segmentata, but only states it is "possible," and that this is the "impression" one gets from seeing the pieces compressed together. Perhaps we might have to wait for another day for difinitive proof of an all-cuprite alloy lorica segmentata.<br>
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Dr. D'Amato, there is really no reason to demean people on this list as believing Roman soldiers were identical robots. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are all striving, each in our own way, to discover the many ways in which the Roman soldier attired and equipped himself.<br>
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T. Flavius Crispus / David S. Michaels<br>
Leg VI VPF<br>
CA, USA <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=flaviuscrispus@romanarmytalk>FlaviusCrispus</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/legiovi/vwp?.dir=/Flavius+photo&.src=gr&.dnm=flavhead2.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 2/15/05 9:36 pm<br></i>
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I, for one, would be very interested in seeing a bronze lorica segmentata, which is why I posted this in the first place. I can't, on the surface, think of why such a thing would not exist. Yet until now, despite bronze having far superior survival characteristics than iron, the only bronze (more properly, orichalcum) lorica fragments we have come across are hinges, buckles, bosses, hooks, rivets, girth loops and the like. We have found entire iron plates edged in brass (Kalkriese), but no brass plates that can be positively identified to have come from a lorica seg, as opposed to a manica or thigh defense.<br>
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That is why I was very curious to find the source for your postings about a bronze lorica seg having been found in Bulgaria, and why I went so far as to try to track down the volume you identified as the source for this report. I shall have to have another look at the journal, for I do not recall having come across any references like the one you cite. Perhaps it is a different publication.<br>
<br>
However, as per Mike Bishop's posting above, it seems quite possible that the identification of these plate fragments as being from a lorica segmentata, as opposed to from the well-documented manica (which is, after all, another form of segmented armor), is premature. Even the passage you quoted, which refers to the parts being held together with "small nails with flat caps," sounds more like a description of a manica than a lorica. The author also does not insist that this is a lorica segmentata, but only states it is "possible," and that this is the "impression" one gets from seeing the pieces compressed together. Perhaps we might have to wait for another day for difinitive proof of an all-cuprite alloy lorica segmentata.<br>
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Dr. D'Amato, there is really no reason to demean people on this list as believing Roman soldiers were identical robots. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are all striving, each in our own way, to discover the many ways in which the Roman soldier attired and equipped himself.<br>
<br>
T. Flavius Crispus / David S. Michaels<br>
Leg VI VPF<br>
CA, USA <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=flaviuscrispus@romanarmytalk>FlaviusCrispus</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/legiovi/vwp?.dir=/Flavius+photo&.src=gr&.dnm=flavhead2.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 2/15/05 9:36 pm<br></i>
T. Flavius Crispus / David S. Michaels
Centurio Pilus Prior,
Legio VI VPF
CA, USA
"Oderint dum probent."
Tiberius
Centurio Pilus Prior,
Legio VI VPF
CA, USA
"Oderint dum probent."
Tiberius
