07-19-2009, 04:37 AM
Mak and Robert, thank you both.
The info from Dornier is helpful, and I had already noticed the little gemo from Claudian. In my studies (which are more involved with the legend of the Unspeakable Hero) I had always wondered if this tidbit about the Irish involved Cunedda; and at the same time might have accounted for Stilicho sending in a cavalry unit under a possible last Count of Britain at around 396-97. (the "Theodosius" of Vortigern Studies, the "Theithfallt" of Wilson & Blackett, and the "Thiudebalth" of my cracked brain, aka the man who was known as Uther Pendragon. I do want you to know that I have not had my photo taken while standing next to any tombstones, faked or otherwise; and that my ancestors did not carry Excalibur to Maine where they were attacked by anti-Arthurian natives. :roll: )
Basically, I'm studying legend to find possible verity. Recently, I may have raised Darrell Wolcott's ire by stating that the pedigrees were padded with legend. (I think I used the word "fudged.") He answered that a basis of truth underlied them, which does seem to be the case even if they were "enhanced" by medieval scribes. If Cunedda's grandfather was Patricius of the Red Cloak, then Cunedda may have come from a professional military family. If Tewdrig/Theodoric married Cunedda's granddaughter, as pedigree-legend claims, then he was active far before the dates given him by most scholars (with the exception of Rees who paints a floriut of 440-470). Certainly, it seems that the Votadini exodus must have occurred prior to Stilicho's death in 408 (or was it 407?).
In any event the above info has been helpful to us all, not just to myself (with my romantic theories). :oops:
The info from Dornier is helpful, and I had already noticed the little gemo from Claudian. In my studies (which are more involved with the legend of the Unspeakable Hero) I had always wondered if this tidbit about the Irish involved Cunedda; and at the same time might have accounted for Stilicho sending in a cavalry unit under a possible last Count of Britain at around 396-97. (the "Theodosius" of Vortigern Studies, the "Theithfallt" of Wilson & Blackett, and the "Thiudebalth" of my cracked brain, aka the man who was known as Uther Pendragon. I do want you to know that I have not had my photo taken while standing next to any tombstones, faked or otherwise; and that my ancestors did not carry Excalibur to Maine where they were attacked by anti-Arthurian natives. :roll: )
Basically, I'm studying legend to find possible verity. Recently, I may have raised Darrell Wolcott's ire by stating that the pedigrees were padded with legend. (I think I used the word "fudged.") He answered that a basis of truth underlied them, which does seem to be the case even if they were "enhanced" by medieval scribes. If Cunedda's grandfather was Patricius of the Red Cloak, then Cunedda may have come from a professional military family. If Tewdrig/Theodoric married Cunedda's granddaughter, as pedigree-legend claims, then he was active far before the dates given him by most scholars (with the exception of Rees who paints a floriut of 440-470). Certainly, it seems that the Votadini exodus must have occurred prior to Stilicho's death in 408 (or was it 407?).
In any event the above info has been helpful to us all, not just to myself (with my romantic theories). :oops:
Alan J. Campbell
member of Legio III Cyrenaica and the Uncouth Barbarians
Author of:
The Demon's Door Bolt (2011)
Forging the Blade (2012)
"It's good to be king. Even when you're dead!"
Old Yuezhi/Pazyrk proverb
member of Legio III Cyrenaica and the Uncouth Barbarians
Author of:
The Demon's Door Bolt (2011)
Forging the Blade (2012)
"It's good to be king. Even when you're dead!"
Old Yuezhi/Pazyrk proverb
