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Late-Roman Scuta
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You're right to suspect, Aitor, that I don't put much faith in the <em>Notitia Dignitatum</em> since it was written much later. Some believe it to have been written as late as the fifth century. By that time, the empire suffered so many losses in battles that the army looked quite different by the time it recovered (at least partially).<br>
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Zosimus says that Constantine had at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge 90,000 infantry and 8,000 cavalry. We know from other sources that he ordered his men to paint the Chi-Ro on their shields. Well, right there I believe you have the most wide-spread shield blazon. I don't know how long all the men maintained this symbol on their shields, but I think it's indisputable that it was the most widely used. The empire, afterall, had only 400,000 men and Constantine had 1/4 of them paint the symbol.<br>
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Anyway, how many reenactors use the winged thunderbolts on their scuta nowadays ? Clearly that symbol is over-used . <p></p><i></i>
Jaime
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Late-Roman Scuta - by Theodosius the Great - 08-24-2004, 08:14 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 08-24-2004, 08:35 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 08-24-2004, 10:42 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 08-24-2004, 01:10 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 08-24-2004, 02:41 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Theodosius the Great - 08-24-2004, 05:56 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 08-25-2004, 04:53 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 08-25-2004, 06:41 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Theodosius the Great - 08-25-2004, 07:51 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 08-25-2004, 09:28 AM
Much later - by Theodosius the Great - 08-25-2004, 10:18 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 08-25-2004, 10:21 AM
numbers - by Theodosius the Great - 08-25-2004, 10:52 AM
Re: numbers - by Anonymous - 08-25-2004, 10:56 AM
Re: numbers - by aitor iriarte - 08-25-2004, 03:49 PM
authors - by Theodosius the Great - 08-25-2004, 08:32 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 08-26-2004, 05:46 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 08-26-2004, 05:52 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 08-26-2004, 06:15 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 08-26-2004, 06:24 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 08-26-2004, 11:21 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 08-27-2004, 05:36 AM
chi-ro - by Theodosius the Great - 08-27-2004, 06:30 AM
Re: chi-ro - by Robert Vermaat - 08-27-2004, 07:43 AM
Re: chi-ro - by Theodosius the Great - 08-27-2004, 08:26 AM
Re: chi-ro - by Uwe Bahr - 08-27-2004, 10:35 AM
Re: chi-ro - by Robert Vermaat - 08-27-2004, 11:28 AM
Re: chi-ro - by Robert Vermaat - 08-27-2004, 04:52 PM
Re: chi-ro - by Uwe Bahr - 08-27-2004, 04:55 PM
Re: chi-ro - by Theodosius the Great - 08-27-2004, 09:16 PM
Re: chi-ro - by Uwe Bahr - 08-28-2004, 03:54 AM
picture - by Theodosius the Great - 08-29-2004, 08:05 AM
Re: picture - by John M McDermott - 09-03-2004, 08:48 PM
Re: picture - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-08-2004, 01:54 AM
Re: picture - by aitor iriarte - 09-08-2004, 04:39 AM
Re: picture - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-08-2004, 03:07 PM
Re: picture - by Robert Vermaat - 09-09-2004, 08:14 AM
Re: dished shields - by Anonymous - 09-09-2004, 04:06 PM
Re: dished shields - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-09-2004, 06:57 PM
Re: dished shields - by Anonymous - 09-10-2004, 05:30 AM
Re: dished shields - by Robert Vermaat - 09-10-2004, 01:03 PM
Re: dished shields - by Anonymous - 09-10-2004, 04:41 PM
Re: dished shields - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-10-2004, 05:25 PM
Re: dished shields - by Anonymous - 09-11-2004, 02:16 AM
Spear and shield - by Theodosius the Great - 09-15-2004, 07:45 AM
Re: Spear and shield - by aitor iriarte - 09-15-2004, 09:05 AM
Re: Spear and shield - by Crispvs - 09-15-2004, 07:15 PM
spear - by Theodosius the Great - 09-15-2004, 09:32 PM
Re: spear - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-16-2004, 01:01 AM
Re: spear - by aitor iriarte - 09-16-2004, 04:30 AM
Re: dished shields - by Robert Vermaat - 09-16-2004, 07:42 AM
Re: spear - by Robert Vermaat - 09-16-2004, 07:45 AM
Spears / Scuta - by Theodosius the Great - 09-16-2004, 10:00 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-17-2004, 05:47 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Nathan Ross - 09-17-2004, 07:49 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Theodosius the Great - 09-17-2004, 08:26 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Anonymous - 09-17-2004, 10:52 AM
handle or straps - by Goffredo - 09-17-2004, 11:30 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-17-2004, 12:19 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-17-2004, 12:23 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-18-2004, 01:23 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-18-2004, 06:06 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-18-2004, 06:54 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-20-2004, 12:18 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-20-2004, 09:33 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-21-2004, 09:58 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-21-2004, 10:26 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-22-2004, 02:51 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 09-22-2004, 04:49 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-22-2004, 04:56 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-22-2004, 04:59 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 09-22-2004, 05:27 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-22-2004, 05:49 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-22-2004, 05:50 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 09-22-2004, 07:58 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 09-22-2004, 08:23 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 09-22-2004, 09:24 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 09-22-2004, 09:42 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-22-2004, 01:08 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-22-2004, 03:45 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-22-2004, 09:57 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Nathan Ross - 09-22-2004, 10:25 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 09-23-2004, 01:07 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-29-2004, 02:24 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Crispvs - 10-01-2004, 04:34 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-03-2004, 12:59 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 10-03-2004, 07:50 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 10-03-2004, 10:42 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-03-2004, 05:38 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Anonymous - 10-03-2004, 06:57 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 10-03-2004, 10:22 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-04-2004, 09:06 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 10-06-2004, 04:08 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 10-06-2004, 04:23 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-06-2004, 05:42 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 10-06-2004, 05:47 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 10-08-2004, 07:33 AM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-08-2004, 02:01 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 10-08-2004, 02:18 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by caiusbeerquitius - 10-11-2004, 01:37 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-11-2004, 05:43 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 10-11-2004, 06:46 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Nathan Ross - 10-11-2004, 07:16 PM
Re: Spears / Scuta - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-11-2004, 10:10 PM
Re: Emblem of V Macedonica - by Uwe Bahr - 10-12-2004, 05:15 AM
Re: Emblem of V Macedonica - by Flavius Promotus - 10-16-2004, 02:10 PM
Re: Emblem of V Macedonica - by Flavius Promotus - 10-16-2004, 02:24 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by FAVENTIANVS - 10-28-2004, 06:46 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by FAVENTIANVS - 10-28-2004, 06:57 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Crispvs - 10-28-2004, 07:46 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 10-29-2004, 01:15 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 10-29-2004, 02:34 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by FAVENTIANVS - 10-29-2004, 05:45 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 10-29-2004, 06:33 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Crispvs - 10-29-2004, 11:30 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 10-30-2004, 07:48 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by FAVENTIANVS - 10-30-2004, 12:43 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 10-30-2004, 03:06 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by FAVENTIANVS - 11-02-2004, 02:33 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Uwe Bahr - 11-19-2004, 05:46 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Robert Vermaat - 11-19-2004, 07:15 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by aitor iriarte - 11-19-2004, 04:21 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 11-21-2004, 01:35 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 11-21-2004, 09:59 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 11-22-2004, 01:17 AM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 11-23-2004, 11:29 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 11-23-2004, 11:36 PM
Re: Late-Roman Scuta - by Anonymous - 11-24-2004, 01:36 PM

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