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Macedonian Silver Shields
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Quote:"even to terming the Pages somatophylakes " ….and why shouldn’t one of the functions of the Pages in close attendance on the King be as bodyguards ?

Which is, of course, one of their duties. Problem is, Diodorus refers to them directly as he does the "seven". Not in terms as one of their duties. It is confusion; nothing more.

Quote:"There is the case of the infantry placed on horse but, as these were with the king in his pursuit and were evidently capable riders, they will have been royal hypaspists."

…on the strength of this, I’m surprised you don’t suggest that the Hypaspists were cavalry too….. if we accept your interpretation of this passage, there is more evidence for that supposition than the ‘double panoply’ idea.

Nice, though a little facetious.

Without begining an entirely different thread, the reference is to the noble Guards: the Royal Hypaspists. Arrian clearly delineates between the two. In short, graduates of the Paides Basilikoi, the agema of the hypaspists. As sons of the nobles they will have well known how to ride.

Quote:"The front entrance is guarded by two men, both armed with the sarissa"……or rather, so it is said. I haven’t seen these, have you? The figures are apparently close to lifesize and will be like others on similar tombs –shown leaning on a shafted weapon of indeterminate type – there simply isn’t room in a tomb for an artist to depict a sarissa !

Yes, I have. Only in photgraphic plates though. They are either weilding sarissae or ancient Macedonian flag poles. You might be able to google it up...I haven't tried as I've the plates. Perhaps Stephanos or Giannis has access to something?

I could attempt a scan, just don't know how well it'd show up.

Quote:"In any case, without definitive evidence we will not ever know for certain." …but on balance of probability?... It appears we will have to agree to disagree. ……as so often in these kind of debates !! Let us leave it there then, pending further evidence……

Indeed.

On the subject of the guards at the symposium, aristocratic prickliness or not, Alexander’s guard will have been present. That he snatched a spear from a ‘confidential bodyguardâ€
Paralus|Michael Park

Ἐπὶ τοὺς πατέρας, ὦ κακαὶ κεφαλαί, τοὺς μετὰ Φιλίππου καὶ Ἀλεξάνδρου τὰ ὅλα κατειργασμένους

Wicked men, you are sinning against your fathers, who conquered the whole world under Philip and Alexander!

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Macedonian Silver Shields - by Johnny Shumate - 08-09-2007, 08:19 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by geala - 08-10-2007, 07:22 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 08-10-2007, 08:56 AM
"Silver Shields" - by Paullus Scipio - 08-11-2007, 12:19 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 08-11-2007, 09:58 PM
Re: - by Johnny Shumate - 08-11-2007, 11:09 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 08-12-2007, 09:25 AM
re - by Johnny Shumate - 08-12-2007, 12:18 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 08-12-2007, 12:30 PM
silver shields - by Paullus Scipio - 08-12-2007, 09:43 PM
Silvershields - by Paullus Scipio - 08-13-2007, 05:16 AM
Silver shields - by Paullus Scipio - 08-13-2007, 06:39 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 08-13-2007, 08:42 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Comerus Gallus - 08-13-2007, 03:33 PM
re - by Johnny Shumate - 08-13-2007, 03:49 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 08-13-2007, 08:51 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Mythos_Ruler - 08-19-2007, 07:47 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 08-20-2007, 12:42 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-28-2007, 02:01 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by PMBardunias - 10-28-2007, 04:43 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-28-2007, 05:07 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-28-2007, 05:12 AM
Argyraspides - by Paullus Scipio - 10-28-2007, 07:29 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-28-2007, 09:39 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by PMBardunias - 10-28-2007, 03:34 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 10-28-2007, 03:48 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Sean Manning - 10-28-2007, 05:46 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-28-2007, 09:58 PM
Argyraspides - by Paullus Scipio - 10-28-2007, 09:59 PM
Argyraspides - by Paullus Scipio - 10-28-2007, 10:41 PM
Re: Argyraspides - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 10-28-2007, 11:14 PM
Re: Argyraspides - by Paralus - 10-28-2007, 11:38 PM
Argyraspides - by Paullus Scipio - 10-29-2007, 12:34 AM
Re: Argyraspides - by Paralus - 10-29-2007, 04:33 AM
Argyraspides - by Paullus Scipio - 10-29-2007, 06:39 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-29-2007, 07:50 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 10-29-2007, 09:17 AM
Re: "Silver Shields" - by MeinPanzer - 10-29-2007, 09:43 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-29-2007, 12:17 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by MeinPanzer - 10-29-2007, 12:19 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 10-29-2007, 02:08 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by PMBardunias - 10-29-2007, 02:34 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 10-29-2007, 02:48 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-29-2007, 09:07 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-29-2007, 09:27 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-29-2007, 09:43 PM
Argyraspides - by Paullus Scipio - 10-29-2007, 11:03 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paullus Scipio - 10-30-2007, 01:26 AM
Macedonian pelte - by Paullus Scipio - 10-30-2007, 01:35 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by PMBardunias - 10-30-2007, 03:00 AM
Hopla - by Paullus Scipio - 10-30-2007, 03:33 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by PMBardunias - 10-30-2007, 05:23 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by PMBardunias - 10-30-2007, 05:29 AM
Hopla/Panoply - by Paullus Scipio - 10-30-2007, 06:38 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 10-30-2007, 07:05 AM
Hypaspist weapons - by Paullus Scipio - 10-30-2007, 07:18 AM
Murder of Cleitus - by Paullus Scipio - 10-30-2007, 09:51 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-30-2007, 10:45 AM
Re: Macedonian pelte - by MeinPanzer - 10-30-2007, 10:47 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 10-30-2007, 03:18 PM
Hypaspist armament - by Paullus Scipio - 10-30-2007, 11:49 PM
Concave pelte - by Paullus Scipio - 10-31-2007, 12:19 AM
Hypaspist armament - by Paullus Scipio - 10-31-2007, 03:15 AM
Re: Hypaspist armament - by Paralus - 10-31-2007, 04:28 AM
Silver shields - by Paullus Scipio - 10-31-2007, 04:58 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-31-2007, 05:15 AM
Re: Concave pelte - by MeinPanzer - 10-31-2007, 11:03 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by geala - 10-31-2007, 12:12 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by MeinPanzer - 10-31-2007, 12:34 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by MeinPanzer - 10-31-2007, 01:05 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by geala - 10-31-2007, 01:37 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Duncan Head - 10-31-2007, 03:51 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by MeinPanzer - 10-31-2007, 04:34 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by PMBardunias - 10-31-2007, 05:01 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Duncan Head - 10-31-2007, 05:11 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 10-31-2007, 09:21 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 11-01-2007, 02:27 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by geala - 11-01-2007, 07:03 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 11-01-2007, 10:00 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 11-01-2007, 10:57 AM
Re: Silver shields - by Paralus - 11-01-2007, 11:10 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by MeinPanzer - 11-01-2007, 11:24 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 11-01-2007, 11:28 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by MeinPanzer - 11-01-2007, 11:40 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 11-01-2007, 11:47 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by MeinPanzer - 11-01-2007, 11:51 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 11-01-2007, 12:02 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-03-2007, 11:40 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-04-2007, 02:30 AM
Argyraspides - by Paullus Scipio - 11-04-2007, 02:30 AM
Cost of Silvershields - by Paullus Scipio - 11-04-2007, 05:47 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 11-04-2007, 04:27 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-04-2007, 04:59 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-04-2007, 05:42 PM
Thickness of silver facing - by Paullus Scipio - 11-04-2007, 08:09 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 11-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Silvershields - by Paullus Scipio - 11-04-2007, 10:35 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Paralus - 11-05-2007, 02:44 AM
Silver shields - by Paullus Scipio - 11-05-2007, 04:21 AM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by hoplite14gr - 11-05-2007, 12:25 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-05-2007, 06:22 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by geala - 11-05-2007, 07:57 PM
Thickness of metal facings - by Paullus Scipio - 11-05-2007, 09:03 PM
Helmet thickness - by Paullus Scipio - 11-05-2007, 09:30 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-05-2007, 10:11 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-05-2007, 10:12 PM
Bronze composition - by Paullus Scipio - 11-05-2007, 10:40 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-05-2007, 10:48 PM
Boeotian helmets - by Paullus Scipio - 11-05-2007, 11:56 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Hypaspist - 11-06-2007, 04:32 PM
Silver Shields - by Paullus Scipio - 11-06-2007, 08:58 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by PMBardunias - 11-06-2007, 09:11 PM
Re: Macedonian Silver Shields - by Mythos_Ruler - 11-19-2007, 09:19 AM

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