06-14-2007, 12:41 PM
Matt Amt: Not ranting or meaning to nit-pick, here
Not at tall, Matt. This is good conversation!
Matt: Just curious if there are any descriptions or depictions of Romans carrying anything on their military belt besides sword or dagger?
Not that I know of. But, its nice having a utility knife handy and a bag of "lunch"... "canteen" too.
The scutum we're making weigh in at 16-17lbs. Larger than the Dura and a tad thicker. Subtle or minor variations occur when different materials are used forthe body of the scutum, edging and umbo, also thickness of rawhide covering. Also depends up on how much base material is planed away. Its not difficult to leave an extra pound on. Also subtle variations in size (width and height) add or subtract weight. (our old 3-ply luan weighed 20lbs)
Segmentata. Mine weighs 18. Some of our guys have segs weighing closer to 22, some nearer 14.. Mine: 48" chest, combination of 18 and 16 gauges.
Matt: and it's still 46 pounds, not the 55 that you said.
But add in clothes, balteus militare, footgear, "canteen" and variations in weight of other gear..
Battle gear:
clothes 4lb (tunica, feminalia, udones, subarmalis, subligarium, "sash", focale)
helmet 4lb (with liner and strapping)
Seg 18lb
scutum 16lb (without cover)
gladius/pugio with respective belts: 4lb
pilum x2 4lb
caliga 4lb
balteus militare 1.25lb
lunch .5lb
"canteen" with water 1.5lbs
misc: utility knife, leather thong for repairs... <.5lb
= 57.75
Not at tall, Matt. This is good conversation!
Matt: Just curious if there are any descriptions or depictions of Romans carrying anything on their military belt besides sword or dagger?
Not that I know of. But, its nice having a utility knife handy and a bag of "lunch"... "canteen" too.
The scutum we're making weigh in at 16-17lbs. Larger than the Dura and a tad thicker. Subtle or minor variations occur when different materials are used forthe body of the scutum, edging and umbo, also thickness of rawhide covering. Also depends up on how much base material is planed away. Its not difficult to leave an extra pound on. Also subtle variations in size (width and height) add or subtract weight. (our old 3-ply luan weighed 20lbs)
Segmentata. Mine weighs 18. Some of our guys have segs weighing closer to 22, some nearer 14.. Mine: 48" chest, combination of 18 and 16 gauges.
Matt: and it's still 46 pounds, not the 55 that you said.
But add in clothes, balteus militare, footgear, "canteen" and variations in weight of other gear..
Battle gear:
clothes 4lb (tunica, feminalia, udones, subarmalis, subligarium, "sash", focale)
helmet 4lb (with liner and strapping)
Seg 18lb
scutum 16lb (without cover)
gladius/pugio with respective belts: 4lb
pilum x2 4lb
caliga 4lb
balteus militare 1.25lb
lunch .5lb
"canteen" with water 1.5lbs
misc: utility knife, leather thong for repairs... <.5lb
= 57.75
Hibernicus
LEGIO IX HISPANA, USA
You cannot dig ditches in a toga!
[url:194jujcw]http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org[/url]
A nationwide club with chapters across N America
LEGIO IX HISPANA, USA
You cannot dig ditches in a toga!
[url:194jujcw]http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org[/url]
A nationwide club with chapters across N America
