10-23-2007, 10:51 PM
(To all new members: Flee this thread while you still can lest you be reduced to gibbering madness).
I agree with you and Jason that soft armour with this cut was probably mostly quilted linen not glued linen or leather. But I don't think this can be proven without either half a dozen finds (to rule out the very real possiblilty that several materials were used), or half a dozen paintings of it being made from cloth, or a few clear references in 5th or 4th century Greek to Hellenic hoplites wearing it. Even one image of it being made or one find from the right period would be very interesting though.
The information about white cured leather is interesting. Has anyone ever managed to get the shoulders of a leather tube-and-yoke armour to be springy enough, though? I don't recall ever getting an answer to that question.
Edit: I missed reading the last few posts, before postiing this so some of this may already have been answered.
Quote:About time you responded Jason. I was ready to give up in frustration. Most of this thread can be trashed as soon as you publish your research.I'm curious what sort of evidence that might be, if Jason doesn't mind telling us. I understand that he's catalogued images and poured over the other sources such as they are, but evidence is scarce. That's why this argument has gone on so long!
I agree with you and Jason that soft armour with this cut was probably mostly quilted linen not glued linen or leather. But I don't think this can be proven without either half a dozen finds (to rule out the very real possiblilty that several materials were used), or half a dozen paintings of it being made from cloth, or a few clear references in 5th or 4th century Greek to Hellenic hoplites wearing it. Even one image of it being made or one find from the right period would be very interesting though.
The information about white cured leather is interesting. Has anyone ever managed to get the shoulders of a leather tube-and-yoke armour to be springy enough, though? I don't recall ever getting an answer to that question.
Edit: I missed reading the last few posts, before postiing this so some of this may already have been answered.
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I have not checked this forum frequently since 2013, but I hope that these old posts have some value. I now have a blog on books, swords, and the curious things humans do with them.
I have not checked this forum frequently since 2013, but I hope that these old posts have some value. I now have a blog on books, swords, and the curious things humans do with them.
