07-19-2008, 10:57 PM
I think that we really have no clue about what really happened. It takes courage to be an ''expert'' and say ''i really dont know''. Thats why i get sick with ''scholars'' ready to proclaim how queer this or that ancient personality was, based on 2-3 lines of writers, most of the time not even contemporary to the man. And what about the possible agendas or personal notions of the quoted writer?
The writings of Xenophon mainly because he was around during the golden time of Sparta may have some extra gravity, but yet we cant base a conclusion on a single man's writings.
Yet the indications seems to show that homosexuality was not institution in ancient Greece, there may be some more tolerance due to different views of sexuality, but certainly you wouldnt see a merry company of men hand in hand and kissing in the street.
There is also another element that show us how different our society became. The element of loving somebody to the highest degree without this including sexual appetites.
Some people seem to not be able to understand any other commitment that the erotic one. I wonder they never thought the simplest thing. Would they die or fight for their best friend? What if we lived in a city where we worked together with our neighbours whith whom we grew up together. We would be in the same class in school, in college. Go to the army together and train together. Get to job together every morning, go to each others house all the time and hung out for beers. Now imagine war breaking and be in the same company, advancing to battle covering each others back. Heck! If you wont die for these guys for whom you are going to die??
I have about 10 very close friends. We are friend since kindergarden and with two of them which they live next door we ate babyfood from the same plate as babies. Would i die for these guys? Hell yes! Am i gay? hell no!
The conclusion about sexuality is that WE DONT KNOW! And nowday gay society should find the guts to proclaim their rights and seek their identity without having to reffer to historical figures! They should feel ok with what they are and leave people long dead in their graves cause simply WE DONT KNOW!!!
The writings of Xenophon mainly because he was around during the golden time of Sparta may have some extra gravity, but yet we cant base a conclusion on a single man's writings.
Yet the indications seems to show that homosexuality was not institution in ancient Greece, there may be some more tolerance due to different views of sexuality, but certainly you wouldnt see a merry company of men hand in hand and kissing in the street.
There is also another element that show us how different our society became. The element of loving somebody to the highest degree without this including sexual appetites.
Some people seem to not be able to understand any other commitment that the erotic one. I wonder they never thought the simplest thing. Would they die or fight for their best friend? What if we lived in a city where we worked together with our neighbours whith whom we grew up together. We would be in the same class in school, in college. Go to the army together and train together. Get to job together every morning, go to each others house all the time and hung out for beers. Now imagine war breaking and be in the same company, advancing to battle covering each others back. Heck! If you wont die for these guys for whom you are going to die??
I have about 10 very close friends. We are friend since kindergarden and with two of them which they live next door we ate babyfood from the same plate as babies. Would i die for these guys? Hell yes! Am i gay? hell no!
The conclusion about sexuality is that WE DONT KNOW! And nowday gay society should find the guts to proclaim their rights and seek their identity without having to reffer to historical figures! They should feel ok with what they are and leave people long dead in their graves cause simply WE DONT KNOW!!!
aka Yannis
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