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Spartan pederasty?
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Quote: in our common modern understanding
This is the whole point of this discussion,the beginning and the end of it. My opinion is slightly different than those of Kineas and sword121,but there is no real point of debating(once again) since we can't know how representative the written evidence is,although it is clear it usually refers to physical sex(example Socrates admits he barely kept himself calm when he was sleeping under the same himation with the young Alcibiades). Lysistrata would still be funny since we're not talking about homosexuals but heterosexuals,meaning that a married man would have a regular relationship with his wife,but still he could participate in a sexual orgy with boys and/or women. And it seems to have been considered normal. And remember that Socrates was a Thetes, a rather poor guy,but still and Athenian citizen with full political rights (and habits).
Anal intercourse punished in Sparta? So it implies that other forms of sex were allowed. And the same act was punished,too,in Athens,but among adult men. And in fact the punished was the passive one,not the active.
Was it right or wrong? It doesn't matter today. Was it considered right or wrong then? Well,Socrates didn't consider it wrong,but Socrates was not representative example of the Athenian society's opinion.
Having participated in numerous such discussions my conclusion is that there is no conclusion and that anybody seriously interested in the matter aught to read the ancient texts for himself. They are much more clear that any moder perception.
Khairete
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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Spartan pederasty? - by Matt15 - 03-26-2007, 05:33 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by caiusbeerquitius - 03-26-2007, 07:08 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Anonymous - 03-26-2007, 09:56 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by hoplite14gr - 03-26-2007, 10:35 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Matt15 - 03-26-2007, 09:54 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 03-27-2007, 03:16 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Marcus F. - 03-27-2007, 02:08 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 03-27-2007, 02:38 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Dan Diffendale - 03-27-2007, 02:52 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 05:39 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 05:45 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 07:53 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 07:57 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Tarbicus - 03-27-2007, 08:01 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 08:03 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-28-2007, 12:32 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 03-28-2007, 12:12 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Marcus F. - 03-28-2007, 12:51 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by hoplite14gr - 03-29-2007, 01:31 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by geala - 04-05-2007, 03:46 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 04-06-2007, 12:00 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 04-06-2007, 09:53 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Marius_Ursus - 04-06-2007, 02:29 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 04-06-2007, 04:09 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Marcus F. - 04-11-2007, 02:56 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by hoplite14gr - 04-11-2007, 06:58 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by geala - 04-13-2007, 06:00 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Idomeneas - 04-13-2007, 11:19 PM
My two copper... - by sword121 - 07-12-2008, 08:16 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Kineas - 07-13-2008, 04:10 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by sword121 - 07-13-2008, 04:55 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-13-2008, 12:15 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Paralus - 07-13-2008, 04:10 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-14-2008, 06:40 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by hoplite14gr - 07-14-2008, 07:17 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-14-2008, 07:28 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-14-2008, 07:38 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-14-2008, 08:45 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Timotheus - 07-15-2008, 01:39 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-15-2008, 02:07 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-15-2008, 03:11 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-15-2008, 04:35 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-15-2008, 04:41 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-15-2008, 09:35 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Aryaman2 - 07-17-2008, 11:02 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-17-2008, 02:01 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Idomeneas - 07-19-2008, 10:57 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-22-2008, 12:35 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-22-2008, 12:42 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Aryaman2 - 07-23-2008, 08:42 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Jona Lendering - 07-23-2008, 10:04 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Aryaman2 - 07-23-2008, 01:50 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-23-2008, 01:57 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-23-2008, 02:59 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by mpags - 08-01-2008, 03:34 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Paralus - 08-01-2008, 04:45 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Magnus - 08-01-2008, 06:59 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 08-05-2008, 03:32 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 08-05-2008, 04:03 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 09-26-2008, 02:51 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 09-26-2008, 03:18 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Idomeneas - 09-26-2008, 11:44 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Paralus - 09-27-2008, 02:43 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 09-27-2008, 04:03 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Alanus - 09-27-2008, 04:58 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Endre Fodstad - 09-27-2008, 07:42 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 09-27-2008, 01:35 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-27-2008, 02:30 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Paralus - 09-28-2008, 01:46 AM

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