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[Senovara]

Character study- Kineas, from the book "Tyrant" by Christian Cameron.

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Your artwork is magnifique Albert! I think some of these guys don't realize, it's difficult to draw faces with such facial accuracy, along with expression and intensity! And let's not forget light and shading. You have a gift of portraying the face with sensitivity and technical mastery.

And that is my art critic review.

[Albert G Lopez]

ahem! Giannis & I can draw, thats why we are critics heehe :lol:

In case u decide to do Philip in full armor & real face from his ivory, the hair & ears were reconstructed on this drawing

Very good portrait study. Do you have more drawings?

[Albert G Lopez]

Very nice, Comerus! Did you use charcoal?

Here is a quick sketch of Socrates:

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

OK,now this is the best sketch of Socrates I've ever seen! Remember if you're going to have Alkebiades or any other next to him,you have to match their ages. Socrates here must be about...60 years old?Laudes again,very good artwork!
Khaire
Giannis

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

This is probably the most accurate bust of Alkebiades.I'd make him about 30-35?
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~kallet/greec ... biades.jpg

[Albert G Lopez]

This is probably the most accurate bust of Alkebiades.I'd make him about 30-35?

Excellent! I have been looking for a good bust of Alkibiades.

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Supposedly the most beautiful man of his time.Hmmm,women of RAT,we'd need your opinion here,to clarify the accuracy of this bust :lol:

Khairete
Giannis

[Albert G Lopez]

Gioi and Giannis,

What would be the correct kind of armour for a man of Alkibiades' status?

[hoplite14gr]

Alkibiades was a "filthy rich" member of the Alkmeonidae clan.

But Plutrarch describe him as having his own shield device with Heros (love god) casting thunderbolts. Privildege given to destinguished citizens only.

An Athenian General of his time would wear muscled cuirass a chalkidic helmet with 2 high crests. His cheek pieces would be extemely ornate.
It is said that the example in Akdemic Museum of the University of Bonn is his!
On the head temples would be a griffin (Symbol of Apollo patron of the Alkmeonides)

Kind regards

[Albert G Lopez]

It is said that the example in Akdemic Museum of the University of Bonn is his!
On the head temples would be a griffin (Symbol of Apollo patron of the Alkmeonides)

Kind regards

Stefanos,

Do you have a photo of this Chalkidic helmet?

Thanks. ~Al

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

I don't know which example Stefanos is talking about.Probably the one I'm posting here.I read it belonged to Alkebiades.it is Eros riding a dolphin.

A man like Alkibiades could have worn anything.And he probably had many suits of armour.The muscled thorax is a symbol of wealth,but in antiquity we see kings(Alexander) heroes and Gods depicted with a linothorax. Probably for Alkebiades the general a musced thorax is more apropriate.For Alkibiades the youth a linothorax is better.It also depends in what instance you're going to paint them. After the batte of Delion,or in Potidaia? Discussing calmly in Athens?(it was not common to see fully armed people everyday in the centre of Athens).For me an interesting caption would be in the harbour of Pereus.Just before the departure for the Sicilian Campaign.Alkebiades would
in his good days,one of the three Genrals,and probably the most influential one. In the departure he would wear his most elaborate armour and clothes. As a general he could have even a triple crest(even a single one is not bad either).But just before the campaign there was the scandal with the stelae of Hermes,and Alkibiades was accused. His friend and mentor Socrates who apparently was against the sicilian campaign,would try to calm his anxiousness and give him advice. The harbour would require a lot of secondary work and research,not to mention all the croud around,so you can paint them in a calm place,away from the croud,where the young general could listen to his teacher's advice.
Additional details,he was said to have worn his himation in the modern fashion,barely touching the ground,which to the older meant he was not modest at all. Somehow the irony that the ancients mention would be nice to be shown: Socrates was said to be very ugly,with a big belly and very poor.And yet he was very influential to the rich,adventurous,elaborate, and very handsome Alkebiades.
This helmet is a typical chalkidean one.

For tips in armour details ask anything
Khaire
Giannis

[Hoplitesmores]

Where is the last guy from?

[hoplite14gr]

Giannis this chick piece exists as a Drawing in Pausanias Phokika of Ekdotiki Athinon and comes from the Temple of- Avae Phokis according to them.
Probably dated in the 4th century during the Holy warsnot late 5th cent.
The one I talk about is in a photo om the book Pelopennesian War of the "Periskopio publishers". If you have it can you please scan it,

Kind regards

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Stefane,I have a "Pelloponnesian War" from the Okeanida puplishings and another from Libani publishings but not from Periskopio,unfortunately. The one you refer to is it a chick piece or a whole helmet?
Khaire
Giannis

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Info on Alkebiades' appearence,taken from this site:

http://test.stoa.org/projects/demos/xml ... g=UnicodeC


Alcibiades

(statesman/general, ca. 450-404 BCE)

Evidence:

Pausanias (Paus. 6.3.15) provides the only evidence for a statue of Alcibiades set up during his life: he mentions that a bronze statue of Alcibiades was dedicated by the Samians, ca. 410-407 (when Alcibiades had a fleet along the Ionian coast), in the Temple of Hera (probably at Olympia). He was also the subject of several paintings displayed at Athens, probably during his lifetime. Athenaeus reports that when Alcibiades returned to Athens from Olympia, he set up two paintings, by Aglaophon of Thasos, on the Acropolis: (1) personifications of the Olympic Games and the Pythian Games placing wreaths on Alcibiades’ head and (2) the personification Nemea seated, with beautiful Alcibiades on her lap (Ath. 12.534D). The paintings probably celebrated Alcibiades’ victory in the chariot race at the 91st Olympiad (in 416 BCE, cf. Thuc. 6.16.12). The painting with Nemea may be that mentioned by Plutarch and Pausanias (Paus. 1.22.7), or perhaps there was more than one painting. Plutarch notes that When Aristophon painted an allegorical picture which showed Nemea embracing Alcibiades people were delighted and came in crowds to look at it. But the older generation were offended at this too; they thought it a sight fit for a tyrant’s court and an insult to the laws of Athens (Plut. Alc. 16.7).

Alcibiades’ general appearance was well known in antiquity, as he was praised by several writers for his beauty (Pliny HN 36.28; Plut. Alc. 1.3). Specifics regarding his appearance are noted by Plutarch (Plut. Alc. 1.4), that his neck was bent, and Athenaeus (Ath. 12.534C) that he usually wore his hair long.

Other statues are recorded by Dio Chrysostum (Orat. 37.40), who notes a portrait of Alcibiades sculpted by Polycles, and a another one that was changed into the portrait of Chalkopogon (L. Domitius Ahenobarbus), a Roman. Pliny records a statue of Alcibiades in a chariot, sculpted by Phyromachos (or Pyromachos) (Plin. HN 34.80), and another by Nikeratos (Plin. HN 34.88 ). Alcibiades was also popular among the Romans. Pliny discusses the placement of statues of Pythagoras and Alcibiades in the corners of the Comitium in Rome when, during a Samnite War, Pythian Apollo commanded that a portrait of the bravest of the Greeks and one of the wisest men, be erected in a conspicuous place (Plin. HN 34.26). Pliny also tells a story of the young Alcibiades, shown as Eros with a thunderbolt, in the Portico of Octavia in Rome (Plin. HN 36.28 ). As R.R.R. Smith notes (Richter 1984, 83), this story may have been confused with that told by Plutarch and Athenaeus about Alcibiades’ golden shield that depicted Eros armed with a thunderbolt (Plut. Alc. 16.1; Ath. 13.534E). The emperor Hadrian was said to have erected a statue of Alcibiades (in Parian marble) on the Tomb of Alcibiades at Melissa, in Phrygia (Ath. 13.574F), while Christodoros (Ecphr. in Grk. Anth.) mentions a statue of Alcibiades, shown as a counsellor, in the Zeuxippos at Constantinople. None of these portraits may be recognized in the extant portraits, nor in a group of eight portraits formerly thought to have been the Alcibiades type (Richter 1965, 106, figs. 499-50).

Extant portraits:

A Roman mosaic portrait, labelled *A*L*K*H*B*E*I*A*D*H*S, found at Sparta, shows a youthful image of a beardless man with long, wavy, black hair, wearing a himation.

A marble tondo, found at Aphrodisias in 1981, only preserves the lower part of the face. It depicts a beardless man, consistent with the mosaic image.

Khaire
Giannis