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Scythian mummy found in Mongolia - dates back 2,500 years
#16
Wow momma! Brilliant stuff!! Confusedhock:
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#17
Comerus,
How do I send you a private message..?
Johnny Shumate
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Quote:Comerus,How do I send you a private message..?
Click on this button in his message: [Image: icon_pm.gif]
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#19
I found it..!
Thanks
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#20
Comerus,

That black-and-white photograph, are those two archers Tibetans?
Andreas Baede
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#21
I think you are right, they are probably Chukchi, I found a picture of one
[Image: chukchiwarrior2.jpg].

I thought they might have been Tibetans because I've seen black-and-white pictures of Tibetans in lamellar armour. But this Chukchi is clearly much more similar.

Remarkable. And they say Arctic peoples don't practise warfare much :roll:
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#22
I was directed to a link for a video in German......IceMummy :wink:
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#23
Apologies for coming in late to this discussion....

The Koryak were nomadic herders of reindeer. They had a few horses, or rather ponies but on the whole must have fought on foot.

The two chaps in the picture are indeed wearing what the expedition leader described as suits of 'medieval armour'. This was actually made out out of reindeer antler and a lot of the stuff was even constructed from old mammoth ivory of which Siberia has vast stocks of. With reference to the men wearing the armour, they are not actually 'warriors' but two of the expeditions guides who put on the stuff for a photo so your guess is as good as mine as to whether they have strapped the shields to their backs by accident or told 'thats how you carry them'.
However, carvings dating from the 4th century AD of Toba warriors from southern Siberia so them clearly wearing large, possibly flexible shields strapped to their backs.

The Chukchi from north-eastern Siberia were extremely warlike. In fact the Russians never managed to subdugate them, losing an entire regiment (more likely a company) of Cossacks and artillery to them in the mid eighteenth century. The Chukchi descending on them from the hills in dog sleds which they used in warfare.

Apart from bows, other weapons included spears, harpoons, knives (some made out of copper, others Iron which was in short supply). One peculiar weapon used by the Koryak and others was the Parma. This could come in several forms and was primarily a bear hunting spear with either a long narrow blade or a single edged spear, a bit like a small glaive.
Kuura/Jools Sleap.

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#24
Hi Jools,

Quote: Apologies for coming in late to this discussion....
Not at all. Big Grin
Quote: The Koryak were nomadic herders of reindeer. They had a few horses, or rather ponies but on the whole must have fought on foot.
Or on dog sleds as you said earlier. Did they maybe use reindeer to pull the sleds?
Quote: With reference to the men wearing the armour, they are not actually 'warriors' but two of the expeditions guides who put on the stuff for a photo so your guess is as good as mine as to whether they have strapped the shields to their backs by accident or told 'thats how you carry them'.
As always, we're being 'duped' again to believe that the daring expedition managed to find 'real ancient-style warriors'! Instead, it's a rigged scene.
This reminds me of that scene at Dura Europos, with the (seemingly ill-fitting) horse armour draped across the modern Arab horse.. Cry
On the other hand, I recall pictures of Tibetan lamellar armour - 19th Century?
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#25
Vorty, you may have seen them here:

www.skidmore.edu/academics/asianstudies/TibetanPhotos/MonlamArmy.html
Andreas Baede
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#26
Quote:Or on dog sleds as you said earlier. Did they maybe use reindeer to pull the sleds?

Hi Robert, always nice to feel welcome :wink:

No not for war, reindeer were used as draft animals and I have seen a photo of an Evenk woman riding a reindeer and carrying a parma (spear)

The only big horse users in Siberia were the Tuvans from the southern Altai regions.
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#27
Quote:Very interesting Kuura, thanks

BTW: do you have Scythian tattooes too in your body?

i know someone who does Smile

[Image: 9fc8re2.jpg]

Its a Greko-reenactor from australia :lol:

Yes I do.

I've got the Ram or mountain goat (same as the one on your Australian friend) on my left breast and the psuedo horse on my left shoulder blade. The rest of the designs on my arm are Finnish Runic symbols, filled in with Scythian style tendrils etc. Although my lower am has an Iroquois Indian linear design, similar to some Evenk and Copper Inuit designs.
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#28
Do you reckon being embalmed in copious amounts of red wine would help Big Grin lol:
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Quote:I've got the Ram or mountain goat (same as the one on your Australian friend) on my left breast and the psuedo horse on my left shoulder blade. The rest of the designs on my arm are Finnish Runic symbols, filled in with Scythian style tendrils etc. Although my lower am has an Iroquois Indian linear design, similar to some Evenk and Copper Inuit designs.

I've got a Scythian stag tattoo on my right shoulder. I got it about 13 years ago and it still gets commented on because it looks different to all those bog-standard 'Celtic' ones that so many other people have.
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kuura:bjuhsuqm Wrote:I've got the Ram or mountain goat (same as the one on your Australian friend) on my left breast and the psuedo horse on my left shoulder blade. The rest of the designs on my arm are Finnish Runic symbols, filled in with Scythian style tendrils etc. Although my lower am has an Iroquois Indian linear design, similar to some Evenk and Copper Inuit designs.

I've got a Scythian stag tattoo on my right shoulder. I got it about 13 years ago and it still gets commented on because it looks different to all those bog-standard 'Celtic' ones that so many other people have.

What you mean the bog standard Celtic ones that are actually Saxon :!: :lol:
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