Seg. (Corbridge B model) from Emmanuel Van Hoof.

[Emmanuel Van Hoof]

Philus, I am the builder of this armour. And you are right, the whole way. I have now the " corbridge hoard". You need this book to build a good replica.

looking to the extra added plan fig 42: Cuirass 5, paterns, the point go's to the neck. Fig 44, in the book, shows Cuirass 5 again, sugesting that the point go's outward.
But fig 45, shows a picture, that shows very well that cuirass 5, the point is going inwards.

Looking on the fig 25, a extra added plan: Cuirass 1, there is the point also outwards.
Looking in the book, there is fig28, cuirass 1, showing the central plate pointing inwards.

Some drawings in "the hoard" are realy confusing.
There is only rule, don't look to drawings, look to the photo's of the evidence!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thearmatura...508673169/
I love those pictures, but they don't show how they where connected.


When I start to building this first armor of me, I dit not have " the Hoard" in my possession. I was at that time a member of Leg XI.be With lack on information, I was looking to the other European builders. With all kind of contrary information, I decide to buy this book.

@Fidelis
The Romans will laugh. But with another major mistake that is common on the modern seg's, is that the breastplates are running parallel, instead of a V-crossing. Than you have to make them wider, and cut more material away around the neck.
This is not only a optical error, but this also limited your sword-arm for a max thrust.
When standing transverse behind your shield.
If you want to see pictures of how it have to be, see the pictures of the Dutch Group, The Gemina Project. Every armour is build the right way. You realy have to weare it to find out what kind of freedom this gives to your swordarm.

When starting this armour, I have don not enough research.
But all the messing work is build up on the mm. The leather is 2 mm, special treament to prevent stretch.

@Rado, thanks for defending me, but Philus is right about the center plates for the B/C type of armour.
But I never found a picture of cuirass 1, where I can see how the center plate was placed there.

[Dean Cunningham metalsmit]

What Many fail to consider is that many of us construct armour due to pure unadulterated desire. Emmanuel like myself probably started off with a serious lack of physical evidence. As evidence is revealed we alter how we make things. Yet the evidence is so very jealously guarded by so many who do nothing with it but horde it and lord over others with it. My advice is if you criticize not only provide a reference but a means to access the reference. Being on the west coast of the USA has put me at a serious disadvantage over the years but thanks to people like Brian, Maartin Dolmans, Henk-Jan, Mike Bishop and a few others I slowly fill in the gaps, But again if you pull it apart offer ways to put it back together correctly please.

Nice armour Emmanuel and an easily corrected mistake.

[Rado]

Is there a club ,or even a legionary with correctly assembled center plates segment (Corbridge B/C). Some reenactment photos (maybe in action)?
Thanks in advance.

[PhilusEstilius]

Emmanuel.

I have to agree you are correct about the small drawings that do indeed tend to confuse, and it is much better to look at the actual pieces in the pictures.
I prefer to look at Fig 28 which gives a better view showing in fact how the arm plates follow the straight line of the upper shoulder plate.
This upper plate is not fixed in any way to these arm plates but only to the under leather at its centre point rivet with its decorative stud, and I also find it needs to also has to have a rivet of each upper portion of the hinges fixing to other leather underneath and this hold it in place correctly.
I think I would be inclined to agree with Dean as far as information is concerned but then do all archaeologists realy understand the info' that people require when it comes to re-production, for here we are getting into experimental archaeology and many do not truely understand what is required.
This is even where I wish that we could at times see the back of things in museums and also the inside of helmets and the like, for this kind of view would give so much more information to craftsmen who wish to make these things.

[Cavok]

I think I would be inclined to agree with Dean as far as information is concerned but then do all archaeologists realy understand the info' that people require when it comes to re-production, for here we are getting into experimental archaeology and many do not truely understand what is required.

Would all archaeologists interpret what is found in the same way?


Cheers

Steve

[PhilusEstilius]

Steve.

I realy don't know just how different archaelogists might interpret things however the sentence that follows the statement concerning experimental archaeology, does sort of explain just how much better it would be for craftsmen to be able to make their own judgement by seeing the inside or reverse of artifacts.

[Cavok]

Definately agree with that.

[PhilusEstilius]

With having said that I had to do some very serious reseach to be able to recreate the Gallic D helmet for the original now does not exist as it was blown to bits in WW II by a bomb.
The only pieces now remaining are its browband and the left cheekplate which does tend to confuse, for that cheekplate of the helmet was a replacement piece after damage in Roman times.
A tinted photograph and small article by Lindenschmit is now the only evidence we can use to understand just what this helmet looked like at all.

[Rado]

My new Segmentata (Corbridge B model) was assembled and participated in the parade in the festival Natale di Roma 2012 ( I provide it for use to one of our colleague legionnaire).

[Rado]

Brass parts are made from Emmanuel Van Hoof. Iron parts are made here in Bulgaria.
Here can be seen that we changed the direction of the shoulder plates! By keeping the precepts of PhilusEstilius. And the drawing which caiusbeerquitius made for guidance (the first one).

http://s019.radikal.ru/i643/1205/7e/7f0b623754ad.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i626/1205/5e/268eb7e7d6bc.jpg

[Rado]

This photo shows (on the left) the first Emmanuel Van Hoof Seg. On the right to it is the second seg. with inverted shoulder plates (assembled by us).In front of them are Deepeeka segs

[Rado]

Оur Seg. (Corbridge B model)demonstrated on European Night of Museums in our town of Dobrich

[Rado]

We begin to prepare the second Corbridge B model (entirely made and assembled in our club). Should we have to stick to this version (with inverted rim to the neck of a legionnaire) !?
By used in practice of this model has proved that the edge is dangerously close to the carotid artery of a legionnaire! During one sidestroke or severe side falls it is likely that the edge to be stuck in the legionnaire neck!
So once again I want to ask you is there another club who has experience with this “reverse angle” of Corbridge B?
I have not seen another one!?
These are pictures from our participation in the “Festivalul Antic Tomis 17-19 Аugust”
This is a picture of our last Corbridge B on а model from Emmanuel Van Hoof together with a Deepeeka one of armament in our club.


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From here you can see at the far left Emmanuel Van Hoof seg.In the middle is our seg. and on the most right side is the Deepeeka seg.


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Should we continue to stick to this "reverse angle" production?
Are we in the right direction or we are making mistake with this "reverse angle" version?

[Rado]

No one provided evidence for this "reverse angle" turn to the neck!?
Why no one produces them like this (except us)?
But it is claimed in RAT that it is the right way?
From practice in our "battles with the Dacians " it showed that it is not practical!
Even on the contrary, it threatens the life of a legionnaire?

[Rado]

We asembeled our third Corbridge type B. By model of Emmanuel Van Hoof. Now we have three seg. assembled in our club guided by ti. Weighs 9 kilograms and is 1 mm thick iron sheet.

Of course in our club has over 10 pieces purchased from Deepeeka.Respectively these are with and good price and good quality.Our club producing is with a much higher cost..unfortunately.