Drenthe moneypouch - where published?

[Carlton Bach]

Does anyone have a reference for the moneypouch and belt fastening found at Bargercompascum (Drenthe) NL? Peter Connolly made a reconstruction drawing for 'The Holy Land' that looks like it is, in turn, based on Yigael Yadin's 'Finds from the Cave of Letters', but Yadin does not reference his source, other than stating it was given to him by a colleague from the Nat'l Museum - not helpful, given the book was written in the early 60s. There is a drawing in Yadin's book that looks like it was taken from another publication, but again, it isn't referenced. I find the method of fastening the pouch to the belt fascinating, but wouldn't want to use it until I know what evidence it is based on. <p></p><i></i>

[Lucius Aurelius Metellus]

I would be interested to see that drawing myself. I have been pondering what type of pouch to make to put my "personals" in, but it seems that evidence for what the Romans used is quite scarce. I have almost decided to go with a plain leather drawstring pouch such as the ones from Nydam Bog, but it sure would be nice to see a real Roman example. <p>Lucius Aurelius Metellus, draconarius, Secunda Brittanica</p><i></i>

[Carlton Bach]

Lucius, the Drenthe pouch is a simple drawstring design, it just has an interesting belt attachment. However, there are two very interesting (civilian) leather bags in the En Gedi finds. I just copied about half the find report, so if you can't find them (Y. Yadin: Finds from the Bar Kokhba Period from the Cave of Letters) I can snailmail you photocopies. The handbag-sized tote is interesting, pretty, and practical (I did a practice design from cheap modern furniture leather and carried it around a couple days) <p></p><i></i>

[Lucius Aurelius Metellus]

Hi Carlton,<br>
Thanks for the offer, yes, I would indeed like to have copies if you could do so. <p>Lucius Aurelius Metellus, draconarius, Secunda Brittanica</p><i></i>

[Gashford]

Carlton<br>
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Could I get a copy of the civilian one please, if you have the time?<br>
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YOu can contact me on [email protected] and I'll send you my snail mail address and any monies you might want for postage?<br>
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All the best <p>Graham Ashford<br>
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[Lucius Aurelius Metellus]

Hi Carlton,<br>
I just received the copies of the money pouch report that you sent to me in the mail today. Thank you so much for your kindness and for helping me, I really appreciate this so much! I will indeed make a replica of this pouch now. When I get it made, I'll try to post photos so you can see it. Thanks again! <p>Lucius Aurelius Metellus, draconarius, Secunda Brittanica</p><i></i>

[Lucius Aurelius Metellus]

Just out of curiosity, is it known whether these bags and purses were Roman or Jewish? <p>Lucius Aurelius Metellus, draconarius, Secunda Brittanica</p><i></i>

[Carlton Bach]

The bags from En Gedi are definitely of local manufacture. As to 'Roman or Jewish', I don't think the question is all that meaningful. They were definitely not Roman army standard kit, but just as soldiers in Gaul likely wore local clothing and used local gear, so we can assume the troops in Judaea would have used locally produced goods. I wouldn't use them for re-enacting a Western legionary until I had firm proof of the pattern being more than local (which is why I'm after Drenthe - that IS western, and allegedly a very similar pattern), but for Judaea, Syria or even Egypt I think it'd be viable.<br>
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Much of the finds from the 'Cave of Letters' probably originally were from the city of En Gedi and may even have belonged to Roman soldiers prior to the Bar Kokhba uprising. Yigael Yadin strongly stresses their local origin and cites Mishnaic sources, but he has an agenda that way. I doubt they were in any significant way different from the things Syrians, Samarians or Greeks would have used. <p></p><i></i>

[Gashford]

Thanks for the information, got it yesterday. I will post anything I make as a result.<br>
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All the best <p></p><i></i>

[garrelt]

A reply to an old question.

The article was published in :
Palaeohistoria.
Acta et commvnicationes
instituti Bio-Archaeologici
vniversitatis Groninganae

edidit.
H.T. Waterbolk
Vol. V
Groningen 1956

Der Romische Munzschatz von Barger-Compascuum (Drenthe)
K. Schlabow.
page.81-88 Der Geldbeutel

The Roman Hoard from Barger-Compascuum (Drenthe)
A.N. Zadoks-Josephus Jitta.
page.89-91 The Coins (from Nero to Commodus)

[Tarbicus]

The money pouch found in Holland at Bargercompascuum (Drenthe?):
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=17871

Martin's reconstruction:
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=14292

[Robert]

Hi Jim.

You beat me to it! Martin's reconstruction is awsome, such detail and good reference to the original find. Mr Moser rocks!