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Evidence of an Unknown Battle - A Huge Celtic Trophy
#1
A huge (over 1 km square) Gallic sanctuary was first discovered from the air in the 1960’s at Ribemont-sur-Ancre, about 12 miles/20 km NE of Amiens, and initially interpreted as Gallo-Roman. Later, in the 1980’s, more than 20,000 human bones were found from as many as 500 or more individuals, all young men 15-40 years of age. The men were quite large, averaging much the same size as modern Europeans. The men did not die from illness. These bones came from an enclosure within the sanctuary some 16 x 5.5 yds (15x5 metres) big. They were entangled amongst many weapons (over 5,000 !). It was well into the 1990’s before these massive finds were examined in full and interpreted.

No skulls were present. The corpses were all decapitated, mostly by knives on bodies lying on the ground. The headless bodies and weapons were not buried deliberately, but had been left exposed, possibly for 200 years, consequently the weapons were in poor condition and badly rusted. Most were spear, javelin, and arrow-heads but very few swords and scabbards were found ( far too valuable, and given their mystical powers, doubtless taken by the victors.)

The corpses and weapons had been placed on a platform at some height which had eventually collapsed.

Elsewhere were more bodies, including horses and the remains of chariots. A gold torc and about 15 gold coins were found, which date the battle casualties to around 260 BC, and they belonged to the Lexovii, a Gallic tribe living in Normandy at that time. Pollen and seeds confirm the battle took place toward the end of Summer.

Further bone deposits come from inside the enclosure. Cubic constructions 1.6 yds/1.5 metres had been made from human long bones. In their centre was a hole filled with crushed and burnt human bones. Some also contain burnt horse bones. Six of these cubic structures have so far been found, with about 2,000 bones from around 300 individuals. These are similar to normal Celtic grave practises at the time and probably represent the collective graves of the Victor’s casualties. Warrior’s bones were left exposed for scavengers to pick at, then the bones collected and cremated, and the remains then buried.

These Victors are believed to be the Belgae who invaded this region mid-third century.

The area was evidently a cult-place to celebrate a famous victory, with offerings and banquets held from time to time around the periphery over the next 200 years or so. When the Romans arrived permanently c. 30 BC, the monument was pulled down and a Roman temple erected inside this Sanctuary/Place of Honour.

Fascinating archaeological evidence of a battle, like so many, unrecorded in History.

Does anyone, especially our French members, know where more information about this site can be found?
"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori " - Horace
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)

"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
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#2
If you read German, there is a recent article:

Jean-Louis Brunaux. Das Tropaion und Denkmal von Ribemont-sur-Ancre - Von der keltischen Schlacht bis in die Kaiserzeit.

in the following publication:

Aktuelle Forschungen zu Kriegsbeuteopfern und Fürstengräbern im Barbaricum
Internationales Kolloquium Schleswig Juni 2006
Hrsg. v. Abegg-Wigg, Angelika / Rau, Andreas
Verlag : Wachholtz
ISBN : 978-3-529-01874-9
Einband : Paperback
Preisinfo : 56,00 Eur[D] / 57,60 Eur[A]
Seiten/Umfang : 376 S., zahlr. Abb. - 29,7 x 21 cm
Erschienen : 1. Aufl. 11.08.2008
Gewicht : 1378 g
Aus der Reihe : Schriften des Archäologischen Landesmuseums 4
56,00 Eur[D]
Regards,


Jens Horstkotte
Munich, Germany
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#3
This is very interrestimg stuf thanks for telling us.

So with 500 dead enemies and 300 dead of their own people.
How many would there have been involved in this battle? Would they have piled up and decapitaded al their oponents involved in this battle, ore just the inportand one's...
Folkert van Wijk
Celtic Auxilia, Legio II Augusta.
With a wide interrest for everything Celtic BC
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#4
I think all in all this could be seen as a small scale battle, but with a great inpact on t e people, giffen the fact that they made such a big sacret site for it, and kept on selebrating this event for such a long time...
Folkert van Wijk
Celtic Auxilia, Legio II Augusta.
With a wide interrest for everything Celtic BC
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#5
Hi!
The sanctuary of Ribemont-sur-Ancre is really interesting. One of the archaeologist said, that such sanctuaries must had produced a horrible stench with all the decompasing bodies.

Here is a fun picture made by the people of the Ambiani group in France:

[Image: sanctuairedcapnb0.jpg]

creeepy!

ghandi
Robert Brosch
www.chasuari.de">www.chasuari.de
Germanic warriors of 1st ct. AD

www.comitatus.eu">www.comitatus.eu
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#6
Jens wrote:
Quote:If you read German, there is a recent article:
....sadly I don't. Is there nothing in French? ( I can just about read that ! )

Folkert wrote:
Quote:So with 500 dead enemies and 300 dead of their own people.
How many would there have been involved in this battle? Would they have piled up and decapitaded al their oponents involved in this battle, ore just the inportand one's...

Always difficult to "guesstimate" this - casualties can be 0-100% !
Typically, in ancient Greek warfare, the winner's casualties would be around 5% or less fatal and the losers casualties typically 15% but could be up to 20-25%, given a rigorous pursuit. Of course there is no way of knowing if the battle commemorated here is a 'typical' ancient battle, but if it was, then the victorious Belgae may have numbered as many as 10-25,000 and the losing Lexovii would perhaps be a similar number, which implies that not every casualty was added to the Trophy. ( ....and the number of weapons [5,000 or more], which can only be those of the slain and those thrown away, also tells us this, being way more than would equip 500 men). The weapon haul would also imply similar numbers for the defeated, and we might infer from this that the battle decided the fate of the Belgae "invasion" and was therefore of major importance, hence fittingly commemorated.....

The photo of the rather macabre reconstruction is nevertheless very interesting.......
"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori " - Horace
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)

"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
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#7
Try this:

DELESTREE, Louis-Pol. , L'or du trophée laténien de Ribemont-sur-Ancre (Somme), témoin d'une bataille oubliée = Gold of Latenian trophy of Ribemont-sur-Ancre (Somme), witness of a forgotten battle, Revue numismatique (Paris) 157, 2001, p. 175-213
ISBN/ISSN ISSN : 0484-8942

Also, the German article mentioned above concludes that in view of the fact that later buildings disturbed a large part of the site, 500 individuals is a minimum number and it is more likely that the actual number of corpses amounted to 1,000 or more.
Regards,


Jens Horstkotte
Munich, Germany
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#8
Even better, try this:

http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/pr ... _action=1&

There is a whole bunch of articles on Ribemont including the article I cited above available online for free at www.persee.fr !
Regards,


Jens Horstkotte
Munich, Germany
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#9
Merci beaucoup, Jens !! Smile D
"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori " - Horace
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)

"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
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#10
Hi all!

My first post on the forum. Check the book by the already mentioned Jèan-Louis Brunaux, "Les religions gauloises (Rituels celtiques de la Gaule indépendante)", Errance, Paris, 1996. Besides being a very interesting read about ancient gallic religion, he dedicates some pages to the Ribmenot-sur-Ancre sanctuary.

Best regards
"nos Celtis genitos et ex Hiberis" - Marcial, Epigrammata, IV, 55.

Blossio/Alberto Pérez
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.despertaferro-ediciones.com">www.despertaferro-ediciones.com
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#11
Quote:Jens wrote:

The photo of the rather macabre reconstruction is nevertheless very interesting.......

As a mather of fact I am in the prosess of "building" a display like such a secret site.
Only a little less macabre and a little more educational (I hope)
Check out this posting of mine [url:wycd8fo7]http://www.kelticos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=788&p=4993#p4993[/url]
Folkert van Wijk
Celtic Auxilia, Legio II Augusta.
With a wide interrest for everything Celtic BC
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