Byzantine Kit questions: shoes, cloaks and tablion

[tlclark]

looking pretty good, a few alterations and you should be fine. sometimes it is a chore to get these ancient garments to hang like in the artwork.....

Yeah the tablion needs to be higher.

What other suggestions would you make?

Travis

[Martin Moser]

Hi Travis,

Here's a pattern for a short ankle height shoe I adapted from a medieval source. It looks like the ones worn by Justinian's guard in Ravenna.

do you have any sources/bibliographical data for shoes of that time? I'm always interested in expanding my knowledge in this field and if time allows would try out some reproductions as well (I've started researching equestrian boots and such... ;-) ) )

[Mithras]

OK, here's how I reconstructed my cloak.

Here's a pattern for a short ankle height shoe I adapted from a medieval source. It looks like the ones worn by Justinian's guard in Ravenna.



Opinions?

How does the lacing work on that?

[tlclark]

Hi Travis,

Here's a pattern for a short ankle height shoe I adapted from a medieval source. It looks like the ones worn by Justinian's guard in Ravenna.

do you have any sources/bibliographical data for shoes of that time? I'm always interested in expanding my knowledge in this field and if time allows would try out some reproductions as well (I've started researching equestrian boots and such... ;-) ) )

You should ask Aitor (which you probably already have). His campagi are similar and based on a find from Deurne.

Graham recreated the primoscutarii from the famous Ravenna mosaics with shoes very similar to aitor's campagi based on the Deurne find.

Here's a picture from a previous thread.

http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... ht=campagi

My pattern is really based on a late medieval ankle boot. The ravenna mosaic shows a low slung slipper with a high ankle. Graham has reconstructed this as a campagi, but it looks higher than that to me. I'm just trying to find something that approximates what we are seeing in the art.

[tlclark]

How does the lacing work on that?

Well the medieval example has a simple latchet at the ankle. The campagi have a latchet that runs from the ankle under the sole and over to the other side of the ankle. That's Graham's best guess I think.

Still not sure how that's supposed to work.

It's a lot like Matthew's ( legio XX) pattern of a calcei, except that the instep is left open.

Travis

[tlclark]

http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/images/no107.jpg

Does anyone know anything about this crossbow fibula from museum reproductions?

Thanks

Travis

[aitor iriarte]

Hi Travis,
Don't you have a better pic at hand?
I can only see a post-stamp sized image but the brooch look like a slender brooch from the end of 3rd century and, therefore, not adequate for the 6th century... Sorry

Aitor

[tlclark]

Thanks Aitor.

That's the problem. No one makes byzantine crossbow fibula.

A germanic brooch is not an impossible option I suppose but exactly Byzantine.

Travis

[aitor iriarte]

Travis,
Do you know of actual 5th-6th century Eastern cruciform brooches other than those depicted on paintings and mosaics?
Here, in the Western half, our series tends to break abruptly by mid 5th century... :roll:

Aitor

[tlclark]

Oh yes, definitely.

There are lots of cruciform brooches. The Met in NY has scads of them, but they look different, of course, than the 4th-5thC. ones. The upper is broader and flatter, and usually more decorated, the knobs larger and squater.

They are as you mentioned, well documented in visual sources so I think the 4th C. reproductions are the best you can do.

There are plenty of Germanic peoples in the military by then, so I could get by with one of the simple germanic ones, but I am looking for something more 'Eastern'.

Travis

[Caius Fabius]

did you try Raymond's Quiet Press? If you have drawings, and blueprints, he might add it to his list of things he sells, if he doesn't already sell one.
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