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Roman Hoplite - Conal - 05-24-2007
Can anyone please direct me to some contemporary illustrations ???
Re: Roman Hoplite - Dan Diffendale - 05-24-2007
Off the top of my head this morning:
Frequently referenced are the ivory plaques from Praeneste/Palestrina, and you can have a look at the inscribed decoration on many of the Praenestine cistae. Of course, you could argue that those are, more strictly speaking, Latin hoplites, but as far as I know the evidence from Rome proper is very slim. There are then many, many depictions of Etruscan hoplites in Etruscan art.
Re: Roman Hoplite - Peroni - 05-24-2007
Etruscan hoplite...
http://www.aeroartinc.com/aapub/rp01.asp
Re: Roman Hoplite - Dan Diffendale - 05-24-2007
Quote:Etruscan hoplite...The one on the ground, that is, who looks as if he's just woken up from a nap; the middle fellow looks like Connolly's interpretation of the east-central Italic Warrior of Capestrano statue and armor finds from that area; the last a more northern Etruscan or what-have-you, based on the decoration of the Certosa situla.
http://www.aeroartinc.com/aapub/rp01.asp
Re: Roman Hoplite - Conal - 05-24-2007
Quote:Etruscan hoplite...
http://www.aeroartinc.com/aapub/rp01.asp
Thanks guys
... and look at the colour of that tunic :roll:
Re: Roman Hoplite - JP Vieira - 05-26-2007
Hello
Here is one illustration of mine depicting a Etruscan-Roman Hoplite (Class I) from the Roman Army of the 5th cedntury BC.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1/JP ... tecopy.jpg
Best regards
JP Vieira
Re: Roman Hoplite - Poftim - 05-27-2007
Quote:Peroni:1wj5sc3h Wrote:Etruscan hoplite...The one on the ground, that is, who looks as if he's just woken up from a nap; the middle fellow looks like Connolly's interpretation of the east-central Italic Warrior of Capestrano statue and armor finds from that area; the last a more northern Etruscan or what-have-you, based on the decoration of the Certosa situla.
http://www.aeroartinc.com/aapub/rp01.asp
Where can I find more information about the helmet on the guy in the middle? I like the looks of that helmet, but on the statue it looks a lot different than the one in the picture. :?
Re: Roman Hoplite - Decebalus - 05-27-2007
The middle figure has a "Doppelkammhelm picenischen Typs" (Double-crest helmet of picenean type).
There are seven known examples of this type mostly found in the Picenum.
They are dated to the 1st half of the 6th century BC.
The double crest is a feature taken from the Illyrian helmet type.
M. Egg, Italische Helme (Mainz 1986) Cat. 113-117;
M. Egg, Italische Helme mit Krempe, in: Antike Helme (Mainz 1988) 239-241
P. Connolly, Hannibal and the Enemies of Rome (London 1977) 21 fig. 3
Greets,
Decebalus/Andreas Gagelmann
Re: Roman Hoplite - Gaius Julius Caesar - 05-27-2007
It looks like a single crest? :?
Re: Roman Hoplite - caiusbeerquitius - 05-27-2007
This refers to the two metal ridges on the helmet, which are next to the sides of the actual creast.
Re: Roman Hoplite - Poftim - 05-27-2007
Does anyone have any pictures of the helmets? I haven't been able to find any on google.
Re: Roman Hoplite - Gaius Julius Caesar - 05-27-2007
There is a thread on here of a similar helmet.......I will see if I can find it!
That is a bit missleading as there are several helmets with ridges alongside where the crest would go......a better description would be double ridged crest mount..... :roll:
Re: Roman Hoplite - jespah2000 - 05-28-2007
Danno Ulpius is right that the evidence for Roman hoplites is pretty slim... but if I remember right, P.F. Stary's book has most of the evidence for military iconography for Rome (and Central Italy more generally) for the 9th through 6th centuries BC, which includes almost all of the archaeological evidence for Roman hoplites.
Stary, P. F. 1981. Zur eisenzeitlichen Bewaffnung und Kampfesweise in Mittelitalien (ca. 9. bis 6. Jh. v. Chr.). Mainz am Rhein: P. von Zabern.
The primary volume is German text, but the second volume is nothing but the images!
There is also some nice pictures in the museum catalogue "La Grande Rome dei Tarquinii (1990) Roma"... but this might be a bit more difficult to find!
Re: Roman Hoplite - Maiorianus - 05-28-2007
The helmet in this picture www.aeroartinc.com/aapub/rp01.asp should be the one which, according to Connolly (Greece and Rome at War p.102), is kept at the Vatican Gregorian Museum, but I could not find any Internet picture of it. I found however an interesting picture of a double-crest helmet here. It is a Hallstatt helmet from Austria and, according to Connolly again, it is part of the same family of "pot" helmets like the Picenum one
Re: Roman Hoplite - Poftim - 05-30-2007
Quote:The helmet in this picture www.aeroartinc.com/aapub/rp01.asp should be the one which, according to Connolly (Greece and Rome at War p.102), is kept at the Vatican Gregorian Museum, but I could not find any Internet picture of it. I found however an interesting picture of a double-crest helmet here. It is a Hallstatt helmet from Austria and, according to Connolly again, it is part of the same family of "pot" helmets like the Picenum one
Very interesting link. Thank you.