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ANYONE GOT ANY INSIDE INFO ON THE SO-CALLED GRAVE OF HEROD?? - MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 05-08-2007
Hiyall just wondering if anyone has any inside intel on the grave discovered at the Herodium fortress in Provincia Ivdaea........
Pesonally i think it isnt his grave, not from what i have seen so far in the media......
and i also dont agree with the constant statements he had all babies slaughtered since there is no mention of it whatsoever in Josephus......
M.VIB.M.
Re: ANYONE GOT ANY INSIDE INFO ON THE SO-CALLED GRAVE OF HEROD?? - lisa - 05-08-2007
The article on it in the Guardian says that the archaeologists in charge are basing the claim on the "quality" of the sarcophagus, which "meant it could only have been made for Herod."
[url:2w2botvf]http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2074822,00.html[/url]
That is emphatically NOT good archaeology! And rosettes? Please, there's nothing that special about rosettes. This identification with Herod will probably be accepted by the public and people yearning to connect the Bible to archaeology, but most specialists will see how thin the argument is and reject it.
Re: ANYONE GOT ANY INSIDE INFO ON THE SO-CALLED GRAVE OF HEROD?? - Jona Lendering - 05-08-2007
I already posted it here.
Re: ANYONE GOT ANY INSIDE INFO ON THE SO-CALLED GRAVE OF HEROD?? - MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS - 05-08-2007
thnx
still dont believe any of it.. have to agree with Lisa
:twisted:
M.VIB.M.
Re: ANYONE GOT ANY INSIDE INFO ON THE SO-CALLED GRAVE OF HEROD?? - Matthew Amt - 05-08-2007
The one article I read was typically thin on facts, too, but that's just the popular press. As I understand it, though, Josephus states pretty clearly that Herod was buried in (or at least at) the Herodium. Since I've never heard of any other formal graves or tombs inside a fortress, it doesn't seem unreasonable to conclude that this one is Herod's. But yeah, I'm all for more evidence!
One point about the Massacre of the Innocents is that Bethlehem was a pretty small place. There may only have been a dozen or so kids of that age. So it's possible that Herod actually did have them killed, but it just wasn't a big enough event to make a big news splash. Most folks do seem to agree that Josephus would have mentioned it if he had known about it, but his lack of mention is not really a good reason to write off the Bible entirely.
Matthew
Re: ANYONE GOT ANY INSIDE INFO ON THE SO-CALLED GRAVE OF HEROD?? - MeinPanzer - 05-08-2007
Quote:The one article I read was typically thin on facts, too, but that's just the popular press. As I understand it, though, Josephus states pretty clearly that Herod was buried in (or at least at) the Herodium. Since I've never heard of any other formal graves or tombs inside a fortress, it doesn't seem unreasonable to conclude that this one is Herod's. But yeah, I'm all for more evidence!
One point about the Massacre of the Innocents is that Bethlehem was a pretty small place. There may only have been a dozen or so kids of that age. So it's possible that Herod actually did have them killed, but it just wasn't a big enough event to make a big news splash. Most folks do seem to agree that Josephus would have mentioned it if he had known about it, but his lack of mention is not really a good reason to write off the Bible entirely.
Matthew
According to a few articles:
The find itself included a mausoleum which was taken apart, several decorated cinerary urns, and a smashed sarcophagus carved in reddish stone decorated with rosettes.
The sarcophagus apparently appears to have been smashed to pieces deliberately, which is consistent with the desecration of Herod's grave in antiquity.
It is also located in the Herodium, which would indicate that this grave was somehow linked to Herod.
They think it is either Herod's tomb or the tomb of his son, Archelaos, though one archaeologist said he thought it likely that they would find some epigraphical evidence from the tomb eventually.
From these news articles, it's always almost impossible to determine any real facts, so I'll wait and see before passing judgment.
Re: ANYONE GOT ANY INSIDE INFO ON THE SO-CALLED GRAVE OF HEROD?? - Arthes - 05-08-2007
I just came across the article myself....
BBC News...
Quote:It was an ancient staircase built for Herod's funeral procession - described in detail by First Century historian Josephus Flavius - that led Prof Netzer's team to the hill-top burial site.It then goes on to say
"The monumental stairs were built specifically for the funeral," Prof Netzer said
Quote:At the site, archaeologists found a smashed limestone sarcophagus that, when whole, would have been around 2.5m (8ft) long.
Ornate rosette decorations on the fragments alerted the team to the coffin's significance.
No bones were found at the site. Prof Netzer said that they had likely been removed by Jewish rebels who fought against Rome between 66 and 72 AD.