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balteus of cavalry (1st/2nd century AD) - Aurelianus - 05-02-2007
Marcus Junkelmann wrote that the balteus/cingulum of the cavalry men has been completely undecorated (no plates, …).
I can’t imagine that these well decorated cavalry men with their likewise wonderful decorated horses would have waived on a nice balteus/cingulum.
Does anybody know anything about the balteus/cingulum of the roman cavalry (1st/2nd century AD)?
Thank you very much for your help!
Re: balteus of cavalry (1st/2nd century AD) - Gaius Julius Caesar - 05-02-2007
A cingulum would be a trifle uncomfortable on a saddle to my mind....
But can't think why they wouldn't go for decorated belts? :?
Re: balteus of cavalry (1st/2nd century AD) - Tarbicus - 05-02-2007
Quote:Marcus Junkelmann wrote that the balteus/cingulum of the cavalry men has been completely undecorated (no plates, …).Patrik, do you mean the baldric worn over the shoulder, or the belt worn around the waist? There's enough confusion over the terms 'cingulum' and 'balteus' :wink:
Re: balteus of cavalry (1st/2nd century AD) - Titus Publius Saturninus - 05-03-2007
Patrik I hope this URL remains here and doesn't get deleted like the last one did. GEESH this is the internet and URLs are the tools we have to use to exchange pertinent info.
Anyhow I hope this will answer any and all of your questions above.
Be Well,
Richard
Titus
http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEqui ... gulum.html
Re: balteus of cavalry (1st/2nd century AD) - Gaivs Antonivs Satvrninvs - 05-03-2007
I'm surprised to see this site( Roman Coins) using this terminology. I can understand them using cingulum instead of balteus since it is (was) often used before. But they actually say balteus when they mean BALDRIC for the belt that holds your gladius. I'm surprised these two words get confused, honestly. Other than the first syllable( bal) dric and teus aren't even close. To me, baldric sounds as if it belongs in the middle ages.
This is becoming as touchy as tunic colors, when we all know the correct color was
hock: and that's the truth.I've often used this site for reference and never noticed it before.
Titus- I like your avatar. I recognize the movie reference.
Re: balteus of cavalry (1st/2nd century AD) - Tarbicus - 05-03-2007
Quote:I can understand them using cingulum instead of balteus since it is (was) often used before. But they actually say balteus when they mean BALDRIC for the belt that holds your gladius.The use of 'cingulum' for waist belt sometimes went hand in hand with 'balteus' being used for a baldric, IIRC.
Re: balteus of cavalry (1st/2nd century AD) - Titus Publius Saturninus - 05-03-2007
Salve! Andy!
Thank you for your post.
HAIL rrrRROME!!
Victorius in thy mourning weeds.
Lo is the bark whos discharged it's freight with laidings of the bay comith Andronicus bound with laurel bows to resalute his country with his tears.
Cheers!
Richard
Re: balteus of cavalry (1st/2nd century AD) - PhilusEstilius - 01-27-2008
Where Junkelman refers to the Balteus/Cingalum, I think that many are being just a bit mislead. The term balteus means a belt which goes around the waist, however the term cingalum is not the strips of leather that hang down over the abdomen. This is indeed an apron with metal studs on it, which was put there to dull down a sword blow across the nether region. I would think that even Junkelman might be a little mislead,where he considers this apron as a cingalum. What he is simply trying to tell us is that the cavalry soldier did not have this on his waist belt. The cingalum militaire refers to the sash worn by officers around their muscled currass, as worn by partrician and equestrian ranks.