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Embosed bronze segmentata? - Sulla - 03-24-2007 Hi all I was looking doing research for a project and noticed this peace that had been sold from a dealer. Any way I thought it was interesting and I would post it. Sorry if its already been posted. Oh also are there any others we know of like it? http://www.trocadero.com/janus/items/411865/item411865store.html Here is a secound one from the same place http://www.trocadero.com/janus/items/413024/item413024store.html#item Discription. Quote:Roman armor at the height of the empire was much different from the solid, muscled curiasses that we tend to associate with the ancient world. To allow maximum flexibility and ease of movement, the Romans developed a segmented type of armor that we refer to as lorica segmentata. This armor consisted of strips and plaques of armor that were hooked and buckled together to make a flexible, protective covering that could be more easily repaired by simply replacing damaged pieces. (Please see the last two photographs for a diagram of armor segments and a drawing of a full suit of this type of armor.) While putting the armor on was a bit like assembling a jigsaw puzzle, this superior armor gave the later Roman army a decided advantage in combat. Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Praefectusclassis - 03-24-2007 Hi Patrick, I believe those are locking plates for scale armor, not segmentata pieces. Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Sulla - 03-24-2007 Hmm same type of piece is listed as part of lorica hamata at [url:qu9i10xk]http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Body-Armour.html[/url] Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Sulla - 03-24-2007 Yes just noticed the discription at the other place. Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Dan Howard - 03-24-2007 If bronze segmentata could be proved it would destroy my suggestion that the segmentata was only "peasant armour". Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Sulla - 03-24-2007 Peasant armour seems to be a rather subjective term. Were not many in the legion well paid and well off compared to "peasants". Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-24-2007 Hmmm, would be a good choice for a centurion! Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Tarbicus - 03-25-2007 Do the holes follow the pattern of any example of iron seg breastplate? It seems not, to me. Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - sulla felix - 03-25-2007 Crazy suggestion - what if this were a fancy overlay for an iron seg breast plate (a later embellishment)? The legionary's equivalent of chrome wheel trims 8) Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 03-25-2007 That pieces are, as Jasper has said, for the breast and for close the neck opening of squamata and less probably hamata. There are a lot of them over the roman empire, as we can see at Robinson, for exemple. Normally there were decorated with the head of Minerva/Rome (a helmeted woman), the same motif we can see in other cavalry equipment of II/III century as greaves. The hollows at the side are for linking with the scales or with the mail. There have no sense in a segmentata breast place. Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-25-2007 :roll: Well, it would be a nice departure from old ironsides! :lol: Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Sulla - 03-25-2007 It would be interesting to look at a lot of them and see if they all have the fittings and holes for the squamata or if some look like they could be made for other things. Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - caiusbeerquitius - 03-25-2007 Quote:That pieces are, as Jasper has said, for the breast and for close the neck opening of squamata and less probably hamata.In fact, the Bertoldsheim chainmail had still one attached. I have never seen one that had not the typical pairs of holes or single rivets for attachment to either a hamata or squamata. Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - Marcus Julius - 03-26-2007 Very similar pieces are shown in The Roman Cavalry by Dixon and Southern (which just arrived in my mailbox Friday, and I have been viciously devouring ever since) in the photo gallery between pages 112 and 113: Quote:Pair of bronze plates from Manching, Germany, which are believed to have been worn on the chest of a mail or scale shirt. Owing to their elaborate nature they may have been reserved for use during the hippika gymnasia. The ones pictured in that publication (photo from the Praehistorische Staatssammlung, Munich) have two turnkeys on the right breastplate to lock into those rectangular slots seen on your picture. Much like the way the bands of the "Newstead" seg lock together. I would scan the page, but I'm unsure of copyright for one. For two, I'm not too familiar with photo posting in the board. Re: Embosed bronze segmentata? - caiusbeerquitius - 03-26-2007 Well, basically all these plates do have those turnkeys. Or tubes attached to the lower plate that are put through holes in the upper plate and are closed with a thick wire. Oh, and ALL of these date to the very late 2nd and 3rd century. Here´s a reconstruction by Junkelmann: Originals: |