copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath

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copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LVCIVS VVLPES - 01-18-2007

Quote:Cripvs -sheath from Leeuwen . As far as I am aware this is the only known example of a copper-alloy Type 'A' sheath (in Pugio Sheath Shapes)

Well here you have a second complete copper-alloy Type 'A' sheath in the museum of Nijmegen

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Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-18-2007

And the same suspension rings as used by Peroni on his pugio? Or am I wrong....... :wink: 8)

Ok just looked again and, Yes, I am wrong. Well preservedd baby, is there a pugio to go with it? Thanks for pic, ahhhhhh...., whatever your name is? I don't see your signature?

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LVCIVS VVLPES - 01-18-2007

can't tell you if they are the same suspension rings as used by Peroni, because I can't see the pictures of Peronis Pugio( don't now why ), but here you have a closer look

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they don't do seem to be round, more this form

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I don't know if there is a Pugio with it, will try to find it out

LVCIVS
LUC Smile

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-18-2007

No I realised they were not after I made that rash statement! :oops: But it is interesting!

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 01-18-2007

Seems the normal system of suspension in a "A" sheath. The rivets probably have been originally enamelled, as shows that kind of "crown" at the head.

The brown shadow of the sheath coul mark it's make of a brass plated iron. I mean a iron with a superficial coating of brass. Or, perhaps not, and it's from the corrosion of the pugio itself.

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - Crispvs - 01-18-2007

Lvcivs,

Thank you very much for bringing this to my attention. It appears to be a standard type 'A' sheath with, as Lucius Avitianus says, normal type 'A' suspension loops and suspension rings (the rings on Peronis' sheath are of type 'B' and are attached with hinge blocks rather than suspension loops). It looks from your pictures to be undecorated as well, which, if true, would make it only the third undecorated type 'A' sheath I am aware of. I wonder, do you have a good close up of the terminal expansion? Also, do you know what the brown corrosive layers are? It looks, from your first photo to be iron oxide (rust), but in the close up of the suspension rings it appears to be a condition of the copper alloy. I do not know enough about copper alloys to be able to make sense of this on my own.
Also, any idea of when it was found (and published)?

Thanks again for showing us this sheath! A laud point is hereby gratefully awarded.

Crispvs

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LVCIVS VVLPES - 01-18-2007

Yes, it is undecorated, and the brow corrosion layers are rust, and come from the Pugio that is still in the sheath and badly corroded as you can see.

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here the terminal

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no I have no idea when it was found or published, but I find it out

Luc

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LVCIVS VVLPES - 01-24-2007

Got the response from the Museum,

found in period 1985-1995 on the ground of the
Early Roman Castellum on the Kops Plateau - Nijmegen
(find number. KH.379/129). not published until now

Luc

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - marcii ulpi messala - 01-24-2007

By the way of this post, did Romans make hilts of pugios of bronze?

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 01-24-2007

As i know, only one is preserved, those one from the Leeuwen exemplar.
I think it's made from copper-alloy sheet, not cast.

I have seen one time a pugio sheath made in copper alloy, with some silver coloured decoration. I post a pic later.

And there are some sheaths made from copper alloy and decorated by some paralel lines incised. There are published in Obmann's book, but as i know, nobody have reconstructed it.

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LVCIVS VVLPES - 01-24-2007

not completely correct, :wink: Smile

here is one that I made a couple years ago

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Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 01-24-2007

BRAVO!!!!!

White in photo it's leather, no? And the hilt, how's made?

So, you make replicas too. Have you more pictures of your work?

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - LVCIVS VVLPES - 01-24-2007

thank You, :wink:

the white is just plain wood, no leather cover, the hilt is pressed sheet.

here is a picture of the same type, but from Spain, the only difference is
that this one has extra iron gutters

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yes I have some pictures of my work, not much just a few

Luc

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - TIB. CLAVDIVS ZENO - 01-24-2007

I'm still new to this period and just want to be clear on the term "copper-alloy" used to describe the original. :?

Does this mean that it is made of roman "brass" with has a higher copper content than modern yellow brass?

Would yellow brass be the best choice to make one, or could it be made out of copper?

Re: copper-alloy Type \'A\' sheath - marcii ulpi messala - 01-24-2007

Well, but this case does not correspond with the type of Roman hilt of copper that your you have made. The case is of a Celtiberian knife, and the hilts of these knives show the circular handles with an alone nail to the center.
Perhaps did Romans make pugios of circular handles also?
Thank you for the response.