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Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Nikic031 - 11-06-2009
If it proves usable the gorgoneio would be great help..
At first we intended to use only actual armor parts from museums and scale them to fit body,(getting rid of corrosion of course) no drawing or drawn stuff,even from pottery..it did work but the theory soon proved hard to be done with aspides...it just looked fake.
Olympia museum.
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Nikic031 - 11-08-2009
Here are the new ones...Not perfect but can provide a picture.
I will delete the two from the first post,there is no need for 5 almost identical images.
Enjoy
19.11.2009 UPDATE : One of many possible solutions for Spartan citizens in around 500bc Lakedaemonian phalanx.
Many questions will still remain,and many possible solutions. Painted or bronze shield device,personal or morae etc...or all of them. For now this is it.
"Muscle issue" solved,he was winner from Olympia and king's bodyguard...he ate a lot of meat.
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Lýsandros - 11-09-2009
It looks very good and this rough, sturdy look of armor is definitely refreshing. The only objection here is to remove the arm guard from the left hand. It is protected by the Aspis after all and armor would only obstruct you while holding it. If you want it t o make look a bit more real (which I believe is your initial intention), I would seriously consider decreasing the musculature a bit, though.
The muscular look that you have captured is a phenomen of the last several decades and it is achieved by both complex training programmers and nutrition (and other ehm, chemistry) that simply wasnt available there anytime before. Even bodybuilders/weightlifters from the beginning of 20th century are much much different. They had the training, but lacked the special nutrition.
Coming back to then Ancient Greece, the majority of hoplites were regualr citizens of the city-states. While some proffessions that require heavy lifting or arm work would certainly have more muscles, I cant think of any drawing/painting that would point at massive ripped hulks running around. I know you guys focus on Sparta and to that I have this hint. By fighting and training you dont get that much "buff", you get more endurant and athletic look. These people were not bodybuilders! I am sorry to mention the movie Troy, but it will serve as a good example. To me, the musculature of Brad Pitt as Achilles was imo perfect for an elite soldier.
Buff musculature is not beneficial in combat anyway, for example too big biceps seriously restricts your arm movement angles, this is especially markant when fighting with a sword.
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Nikic031 - 11-09-2009
Thank you..Interesting arm guard objection,I will try to fix it.
The other thing, neither I or brother(who started it) actually draw any of this, picture is only 6 museum photos and Jusko's illustration of barbarian (notice right hand upper arm band,or whatever it is..removing it would ruin the picture so it is left there with no purpose).So there is nothing I can do about ripped barbarian look.Maybe someone with more artistic photoshop skill can.
I agree with the ripped look being fantasy as well,I know it can hardly be done even today(believe me I have one buff at home)...But pure "lumberjack" mass is not,it was probably even easier to do then.
I will send you explanation in PM,not to talk many words here in artistic department .
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Lýsandros - 11-09-2009
As long as we stay on topic, I think it is fine to have a discussion here. Please do not view my objections as personal, I have simply read that you aimed to depict a realistic look of the hoplites and their equipment, so I wanted to help
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Nikic031 - 11-09-2009
Quote:As long as we stay on topic, I think it is fine to have a discussion here. Please do not view my objections as personal, I have simply read that you aimed to depict a realistic look of the hoplites and their equipment, so I wanted to helpAny help or suggestion is more than welcome,don't worry :wink:
This is in fact second or third correction,thanks to anonymous artist who said bronze was not metallic enough and "hoplite14gr" and his donation of Laconian shield device instead of Phigalian I originally falsely used. I look forward correcting it as long as I have the skills to do it.
NOTE: corrected it..in classical hoplite I added simple cloth in left hand,for clear purpose.
I have to say whole arm guard story is not really clear for me,and if original image had bare lower arms I would left them like that,especially for archaic type(I am not sure this type of arm guard was used 7th century BC).
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Giannis K. Hoplite - 11-10-2009
Nicic hello
The arm guard you used i'm afraid it is actually...leg guard. It's a greave. It would be better to use other examples of real arm guards. I think there is one in olympia. There are two or three others for the upper arm. These also give a fair impression of the actual size and musculature of the individual,as they had to fit perfectly.
Also,there is plenty of evidence that bronze was shiny back then and that soldiers tried hard to keep it like that,especially "professional" ones. Xenophon reports that the spartans were polishing their bronze faced shields.
Khaire
Giannis
PS. Do you have a photo of the real helmet used in the hoplite with the muscle cuirass?
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Nikic031 - 11-10-2009
Hello Giannis K. Hoplite,
Great eye! I learned now that the arm guard is in fact leg guard,hmm..It was suspicious from the start..I will see what to do with it...
My first choice would be to leave arm without any guard,at least for classical hoplite, but there is some barbarian style bracelet or guard on his wrist.
I don't have any picture of lower arm guard!
Polishing effect---I did the best polishing effect I could,I know it is not the best one.Folowing are the perfect examples of "what it should be" texture:
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/data/articleim ... utside.jpg
http://www.ancient-sculpture.com/images/B-056.jpg
http://statues.com/restfr/images/StatueFreedom.jpg
http://www.aberaeronfestival.com/Merchandise.htm
http://www.empireantiques.eu/empire-ant ... p-246.html
http://www.ancientsculpturegallery.com/ ... _brown.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/mult ... 84162c.jpg
http://www.ancientsculpturegallery.com/B-TK54007.html
http://www.ancientsculpturegallery.com/S201.html
PS
articular helmet and greave I can not seem to find,but I think helmet is not whole part but combination of actual and bronze miniature...I'll see to that.
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - hoplite14gr - 11-19-2009
Made by my friend Kostas Nikellis.
http://kosv01.deviantart.com/art/Spartans-134425219
Served as cover for "Battle of Thermopylae"
Enjoy
Kind regards
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Astiryu1 - 11-26-2009
Is there any one that tries to copy the Early Greek style of painting out there. I would like to paint it myself but my artistic skills are all burnt up with carpentry, leatherworking and metalworking. I have a fairly heavy hand.
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Polinik - 11-28-2009
@Pavle's (Nikic031) pictures
Nice idea to cover bracelets..The painted dokana is not bad, at all. Though i still support bronze emblems(although yours are bad). :wink:
I read now about armguards.I'm ashaimed because I thought they were used often.
@Stefanos
I always liked the olive branch on bodyguards. It's a fact, yes?
All best
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - hoplite14gr - 11-29-2009
Craig please elaborate.
Aleksandar, based on Plutarch Morals and Diodorus there is strong evidence for that.
After 450 B.C. they seem to be metal dcoration on helmetes.
One "olive wraith" pilos helmet in Staatliche Antikensammelung in Germany and various statuetes in Muaseums
Kind regards
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - Astiryu1 - 12-20-2009
The Greek Style of painting like on vases for instance. I am unable to find any books on how to paint or draw this particular style. I wish to decorate my shield but have no skill in doing so.
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - hoplite14gr - 01-28-2010
Athenian Marine by my friend Kostas Nikellis. Enjoy
http://www.creative-3d.net/GalleryDisplay.cfm?ID=22198
Re: Share Your Greek Artwork - hoplite14gr - 01-29-2010
Quote:The Greek Style of painting like on vases for instance. I am unable to find any books on how to paint or draw this particular style. I wish to decorate my shield but have no skill in doing so.
Assuming you have a library connection :
Ancient Greek painting and its echoes in later art by Lidakis 2002
ISBN : 9602042451
ISBN 13 : 9789602042458