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The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Magnus - 01-16-2007
First...I am being completely serious here. The corinthian styles of helmets to me have a striking resemblance to the tip of the male genitals. Did the greeks do this on purpose, as a symbol of manhood/fertility, or is this just something I've thought about too much?
But if you look at the helmet regardless of the angle, the dome shape on the top and immediately under that, it really resembles a phallic shape.
Anyone read anything to this effect?
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - hoplite14gr - 01-16-2007
Ancient peoples were not so "squeamish" about these issues or about expressions concerning them as we are. So yes, you have a point.
If you check the thread "ancouth soldiers inscriptions" you will find me explanation on the true meaning of MOLON LAVE.
Ancient Greeks had no problem with relating aggressiveness and testosteron.
The translation of ancient texts has been "watered down" in the Victorian Era and people stil follow these translations.
If you translate literally to get the "real feeling" you run a good chance of getting sued for offending people.
Hope it helps
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Magnus - 01-16-2007
So am I right about the helmet being somewhat phallic shaped?
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Virilis - 01-16-2007
This really gives a new meaning to the saying "dickhead" :wink: !
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Susanne - 01-16-2007
Funny, Magnus, this is something I've failed to note. Your post does make sense to me and in case you'd like to write an article about this the scholars would for sure receive it with open arms. And yes, I'm being serious here!
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Magnus - 01-16-2007
I don't know if I want to be known as the guy who did a study on penises and greek helmets.
hock: In all honesty I wouldn't know how to start such a paper anyway!
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - MeinPanzer - 01-16-2007
Quote:I don't know if I want to be known as the guy who did a study on penises and greek helmets.
In all honesty I wouldn't know how to start such a paper anyway!
Despite the fact that Greek were not squeamish about genitalia and sexuality, I think you are reading into this a bit too much. Many helmets look like the glans if you consider it closely enough; but swords and spears are also very phallic if you consider them closely (a long, manly object penetrating the skin?). I don't mean to suggest that this is some Freudian compulsion on your part, but I don't think that Greek men would have given the shapes of their helmets that much thought.
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Magnus - 01-16-2007
No other helmet style that I've come across in any culture or era, or weapon unless quite deliberate, even remotely looks phallic. The corinthian does...look at it from the side as well as front, then look at a penis from the side and front. It's too coinicidental I think to be simply chance. They could have easily made that ridge on the corinthian style of helmet a different shape, but it's not. Short of doing a line drawing of a penis side by side with a corinthian, I don't know how else to make my point...errrr...you know what i mean. lol
But I would like to know then just how much the greeks put into phallic symbols and the like...especially concerning warfare. If you think about it, the penis is the ultimate symbol of manhood. Warfare could be considered the ulitmate test of this manhood. Doesn't seem like a far stretch to me to put the 2 together.
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Dan Diffendale - 01-16-2007
When I get home I can get the exact reference for you, but Angelos Chaniotis, in War in the Hellenistic World notes sling bullets from Cyprus inscribed with the Greek for "get pregnant (with this)."
And, seriously, what does the addition of a horsehair crest or two, or a pair of cow horns on the top of the helmet, do for you?
What about the more rounded varieties of the Pilos-type?
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Magnus - 01-16-2007
Too pointy. Look at the curvature on the corinthian...it's a much better match.
Those sling bullets remind of me of naval and air force personel writing messages to Saddam in the First Gulf War on aircraft munitions that were going to be dropped over Iraq. I see boys and their toys haven't changed much lol.
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Tarbicus - 01-16-2007
Quote:then look at a penis from the side and front.I'm quite certain there'll be a new member within a day or two, providing a handy link to just such a thing in the Marketplace's Off-Topic subforum :wink:
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Magnus - 01-16-2007
LOL
Hey Jim, maybe you can do one of your handy line drawings of a corinthian superimposed over the real thing to illustrate my point eh?
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Tarbicus - 01-16-2007
I'm not looking for one of them photos.
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - hoplite14gr - 01-16-2007
Yes Matt you have a point.
In Desfina Museum (rather obscure and unknown as museums go) in Central Greece there is a spear fragment with the inscription "KATHES", TH as in Thursday.
Translates as "sit upon it!". Yes the "dirty" thoughts you did are justified :twisted:
Kind regards
Re: The Corinthian Helm as a phallic symbol? - Susanne - 01-16-2007
Quote:Translates as "sit upon it!".
:lol: