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Base for Archaic Greek sword - Gaius Decius Aquilius - 12-26-2006
Ok...
I found this:
http://kriscutlery.com/medieval/celtic.html
It is listed as a "Celtic" sword but has a likeness to some of the Greek Archaic period swords, as seen in surviving examples, and on pottery. The scabbard is toast and the hilt and pommel might could use some work, but it is closer than anything else I know of. As mentioned in other threads the KC steel is decent. This one is "temporarily out of stock" but if they get enough e-mail request they may be annoyed into getting more .
LYKAON
(Greek Mood)
Ralph Izard
otherwise...
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - hoplite14gr - 12-26-2006
Ralf,
This item is not ahistorical for a hoplite of the Western Greek colonies or a rich hoplite of the maritime city-states.
Here (courtesy of my friend Spyros!)
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/ ... ada951.jpg
The upper sword is Geometric 800 B.C and give idea of the cross-guard.
and here same period
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/ ... c74ca8.jpg
In the early archaic period the longer blade was popular, so the longer bladed commercial versions are OK but they are not leaf shaped I think.
Kind regards
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Ioannis - 12-26-2006
Stefane (and Ralf),
The upper sword on the first picture is not Geometric but Mycenaean. The "killed" sword on the second pic is a typical iron Naue II, which was the most common sword throughout the Early Iron Age.
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Gaius Decius Aquilius - 12-27-2006
Quote:In the early archaic period the longer blade was popular, so the longer bladed commercial versions are OK but they are not leaf shaped I think.
Kind regards
I have not seen any long blade anything on the market... except the deepeeka Greek sword which is kinda Alexanderish. I have not seen anything Naue II looking out there...
If you know of anything reasonable accurate or something workable
Thanks...
LAKAON
(Ralph)
P.S. I had to re-type this, and add to it. I locked my self out of my car. My wife was on the computer tying up the phone line, so I could not call call her to brink a spare key. So I had to walk the two miles home to get the spare key. When I become the King she will be forced to get her own cell phone. The walk was no big deal, but for some reason a recent back injury flared up and I had a lot of trouble typing.
I can almost cast a hilt and pommel. (Stilll need an electromelt) I remember some pommels being a curved "T" shape or a disc shape, and much larger than the KC one. The hilt is down curved but more solid.
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Peter Raftos - 12-27-2006
The Naue II and similar archaic age swords are mentioned in a few places and some people are making nice reproductions:
[url:3glsp1cm]http://www.eclectichistorian.net/Griffzungenschwert/[/url]
[url:3glsp1cm]http://www.larp.com/hoplite/2Naue2d.jpg[/url]
[url:3glsp1cm]http://www.larp.com/hoplite/NBsword5.jpg[/url]
[url:3glsp1cm]http://forums.swordforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=59297&d=1164367556[/url]
[url:3glsp1cm]http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40048[/url]
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Peter Raftos - 12-27-2006
Almost forgot these
http://www.bronzeagefoundry.com/
http://1500bc.com/bronzeage/index_eng.html
http://www.templeresearch.eclipse.co.uk ... r_sale.htm
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - hoplite14gr - 12-27-2006
Thanks Ioannis.
I will start be overcautious on labeling in the Agora Museum.
Peter, thanks for the links
Ralf, I own the Depeeka longbladed hoplite. Juts average thing.
The scabbard is a bit questionable.
I think it is suitable for cavalry reeanctors
Kind regards
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Gaius Decius Aquilius - 12-27-2006
Peter,
The links are fantastic! I have two bronze blades from Albion, but seem to have no source for an appropriate iron blade. I need one for mt Cretan panoply, circa 650. There may be no good or exact match out there on the market, so I presumed to have to re-work something.
Stefanos,
Is the Depeeka worth re-hilting and reworking the scabbard?
LYKAON
(Ralph)
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Anonymous - 12-27-2006
Giannis recently posted his modified "Sting", which looked great. Could be the way to go, Ralph...
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - hoplite14gr - 12-27-2006
The scabbard hmmm....mine has a lion that looks hellenistic.
I believe for accuracy if you can make a new scabbard its better.
Some suppliers sell it minus scabbard so it is ip to you.
And yes check to see some LOTR item of the "sting" range as Paul suggested.
The "sting" covers a period from 600 B.C. to 146 B.C.
Kind regards
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Gaius Decius Aquilius - 12-27-2006
From a quick look, I don't see much difference in the blade shape between the KC and the Sting... and they are both "out of stock".
Giannis's work is very nice. Some where around here in the Greek forum there are some pics of Archaic hilts that are a bit more massive and like I described above. Some museum examples and from pottery... I will search these out.
Bit OT, but related... all part of the same panoply. After the snow clears, in mid-January there is always a warm spell here. I will try to reposse and cast the internal parts for my Boeotian. Casting anything significant, like a hilt and pommel, usually takes two experienced people to do a pour. And as I mentioned in a previous post , the art people wont help with anything that is not their personal project. They will pay me back, however, for all the bronze and investment of mine they use... Uh huh... Sure. So I gave up on that bunch.
Ralph (LYKAON)
rant... rant... rant..
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Peter Raftos - 12-28-2006
Speaking of modifications has anyone noticed the Lakonian Spartan and Roman pugio that Windlass makes. They have the right blade shape for the small so called Lakonian Xiphos depicted in the Osprey book - and are about the right dimensions. The Roman pugio is a tad shorter and cheaper so it would be ideal for a conversion.
One question though does anyone know what the tang looks like. I'd hate to buy one and knock off the grip and crossguard to find a screw thread...then again it would make the conversion even simpler.
www.romanarmy.com/rat/download.php?id=618
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - hoplite14gr - 12-30-2006
Some one probably has made an archaic sword:
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Virilis - 12-30-2006
Stefanos, this is a "hoplite sword" by Windlass Steelcrafts/Museum Replicas. I have always liked the shape of this replica, superior to the Deepeeka one...
Re: Base for Archaic Greek sword - Gaius Decius Aquilius - 12-30-2006
Quote:Stefanos, this is a "hoplite sword" by Windlass Steelcrafts/Museum Replicas. I have always liked the shape of this replica, superior to the Deepeeka one...
Which Museum R. Limited does not carry anymore...
They do have a new "Classic Hoplite Sword" that is less sharply waisted. Again, the scabbard looks more like a Xena make-up purse accessory, and the hilt and pommel may be pitched without thinking much about it.
The "Spartan Lakona" as Peter mentions, is a close match in not only the blade but the hilt, grip, and pommel, to the example in Osprey's" The Ancient Greeks", and best fits with your Peloponesian Impression. The scabbard... ummm... needs to be sent back to Xena, who is probably frantically looking for it...
LYKAON
(Ralph Izard)