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Scutum 9 AD - caiusbeerquitius - 12-07-2006
I was wondering whether the Haltern shield bosses (like these wonderful reproductions by manninimperial)
![[Image: 1086588343.jpg]](http://www.manningimperial.com/catalogue/details/1086588343.jpg)
belonged to shields without a spina, or if they had a wooden spina starting at the end of the shield boss? Anyone any ideas?
Also Junkelmann states in "Die Legionen des Augustus" that the later scuta had brass spinae, so I was wondering whether these actually are present in the archaeological record. These would go well with such a boss
![[Image: 349main.jpg]](http://www.manningimperial.com/catalogue/349main.jpg)
, but wood would be quite a sensible choice as well. 
Re: Scutum 9 AD - Peroni - 12-07-2006
Hi Christian,
The first photo (at the top in your post) has no provision for a spina, but the boss below it has the two raised openings to take a strengthening bar or spina. There are similar examples from Mainz and Carlisle (slightly later period) of this type.
Here's the find from Mainz..
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/ ... bo_1-2.jpg
There are also finds of bifurcated metal shield strengtheners which have been found in the same context as the second type of boss. (Namely Carlisle)
Re: Scutum 9 AD - Tarbicus - 12-07-2006
Not really answering the question, but these links and pics often get lost in the morass of posts: The Fayum Scutum
[url:tcm1mpkt]http://www.roma-victrix.com/armamentarium/scvta_scutumelfayum.htm[/url]
Re: Scutum 9 AD - Tarbicus - 12-07-2006
But here's the Carlisle one at top:
[url:1vphwevm]http://www.roma-victrix.com/armamentarium/scvta_umboequitatus.htm[/url]
Re: Scutum 9 AD - Peroni - 12-07-2006
Thanks Jim, I didn't post that image as it is of a different typ[e of boss!
The Fayum scutum has a wooden boss, simplified later by the iron equivalent.
Re: Scutum 9 AD - caiusbeerquitius - 12-07-2006
Quote:bifurcated metal shield strengthenersHmm. That´s interesting. Do you have any pics of these?
I am working on a 9 AD shield, the shield body is finished, but I am not sure about the assemblage of the findings. AFAIK there are no metal spinae from Haltern or Kalkriese. I suppose that the first shield boss above could go with a Kasr-El-Harit shield body without spinae, and the second with either a wooden or a metal spina, what do you think?
Re: Scutum 9 AD - Gaius Julius Caesar - 12-07-2006
Would the wooden boss on the Fayum scutum have had a metal boss over it? I was waiting for one like that, but the carpenter quit, so now it will only have a metal boss!
If it is too unauthentic, then I will probably try to make the wooden boss and spina myself! (and off into la la land I go)
I am thinking they were still using the republican scutum in 9AD?
Is that the kind you are refering to here?
Re: Scutum 9 AD - caiusbeerquitius - 12-07-2006
Kasr-El-Harit is in the Fayum, so it´s the same shield. Fayum is simply too unprecise, as there are other shields from there as well..
Re: Scutum 9 AD - Peroni - 12-07-2006
Quote:I am thinking they were still using the republican scutum in 9AD?Possibly, but by the Augustan period you were more likely to see the curve-sided scutum (top and bottom cut off).
@ Christian. I know I have some photos somewhere of the metal strengtheners, As soon as I find them I'll post them.
Re: Scutum 9 AD - caiusbeerquitius - 12-07-2006
Cool!
Re: Scutum 9 AD - Gaius Julius Caesar - 12-07-2006
Great, I already have one of them! That was one reason I wanted it!
The republican will do for a Caesarian impression then!
D
Re: Scutum 9 AD - Peroni - 12-08-2006
Ok, Found some pics Christian!
These shield components are from Vindonissa. The parts with the loops at the ends are the bifurcated strengtheners I mentioned earlier..
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/ ... ldbars.jpg
There are some in the Lunt Museum in Coventry that I have seen up close too.
Michael Simkins' reconstruction places them on the front face of the shield
![[Image: Simkins.jpg]](http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/peronis/Simkins.jpg)
Which would fit in nicely with the shield boss from Carlisle.
The Simkins reconstruction of the Kasr el Harit scutum used the boss from Mainz and wooden spina, although he also added a metal facing to the spina.
[url:3jmvnyqb]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/peronis/KasrelHarit.jpg[/url]
Scutum 9AD - S AUFIDIUS - 12-08-2006
Dear Caiustarquitius,
in my opinion there is a mixture of shield types in the augustan period.
The arch in Orange (around 20 AD) shows still the republican oval-scutum and the relief from St. Remy (Glanum), dated as late augustan, shows clearly the cut-scutum.
Re: Scutum 9 AD - caiusbeerquitius - 12-08-2006
Peroni, thanks a lot!
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Re: Scutum 9 AD - Tarbicus - 12-09-2006
I don't understand why a metal facing would be added to an already thickened shield area with a wooden spine and/or or umbo? Unless the easily replaced metal parts were applied to save on the much harder to replace wooden parts, which were integral to the scutum's construction in the first place.