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Forks - Felix Agrippa - 07-21-2006

Hello everyone,

I just got back from studying in Bregenz Austria and while I was there I saw something really interesting in a local museum in Bregenz. In the Ancient Roman section of the museum they had a fork on display, which looked exactly like a modern fork. Now if I remember correctly the fork was not invented until the 16th century in Italy. I took photos of the fork , which are too big to post. If anyone wants to see photos of the fork please send me a PM. If anyone has any info on this topic please reply.


Re: Forks - Peroni - 07-21-2006

There is also a find from St. Albans in Hertfordshire, England of a 'Swiss army knife' which features a spoon, fork, earscoop, nail cleaner, toothpick and knife blade.

The fork is assumed to be for eating snails with. Len morgan makes beautiful replicas of this find.


Re: Forks - Caballo - 07-21-2006

And here is a picture of the Len Morgan replica- having used it, I can testify that it works well. Does anyone have a picture of the original?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/ ... G_0478.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/ ... G_0480.jpg


st albans museum - Vlad the Impala - 07-23-2006

i dont think st albans museum allows photography.

well it didnt went I went Sad


Re: Forks - Martin Moser - 07-23-2006

Does anyone have a bibliographical reference of the St Albans piece, perhaps? Thanks in advance!


Re: Forks - Peroni - 07-24-2006

Quote:i dont think st albans museum allows photography.

No, but the Verulamium museum do sell a postcard of the find. I have emailed them to see if they have a digital image they would be willing to send.

I received this response from Kate Warren, museum photographer..
Quote:I do have a digital file of this item, however, I am out of the office for a few days so cannot access the file to send you.
I should be back Friday, so will sort it then.



Re: Forks - maarten - 08-21-2006

I've made several pictures of the original years ago, unfortunately they were not of good quality, so I asked for a good picture. I got a angry letter back "no one is allowed to make pictures of the original" Sorry.
But fortunately there is an article about the Roman 'swiss' knife in "The Antiquaries Journal in 198? p. 310-311 PL XLIX" (sorry I was so stupid not to write it down properly). I've reconstructed the siwss knive in bronze (the original is in silver).
The original was sold by Christies in 1986 by a swiss dealer. It's probably late second or third century.
I have also seen folks in the Neaples museum dating from 79 AD so forks were used in the first century.

Maarten


Re: Forks - Robert Vermaat - 08-22-2006

Ask Cacaius!! He showed me his replica at Archeon, as well as several pictures of the original.


Re: Forks - Correus - 11-15-2006

Quote:And here is a picture of the Len Morgan replica- having used it, I can testify that it works well. Does anyone have a picture of the original?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/ ... G_0478.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/ ... G_0480.jpg

where did you get this item?

Vale,
Correus


Re: Forks - Martin Moser - 11-15-2006

Found the original, bibliography and pretty good photos, too, both of the original and a replica :-) )

http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/opac/se ... _limit_=10

bibliographical data:

1. Sherlock, D. (1988) A combination Roman eating implement, Source title: Antiquaries Journal [comments: 310-311, pl. xlix]

2. Vassilika, E. (1998) Greek and Roman Art, [comments: p.128-129, no.62]

3. Sherlock, D. (1976) Roman folding spoons, Source title: Transactions of the London and Middlesex Archaeological Society [comments: p.128-129, no.62]


Re: Forks - marsvigilia - 11-18-2006

I'm still not sure I believe what I am seeing. Can this be real?


Re: Forks - aitor iriarte - 11-18-2006

It is real for sure but... Has anybody read the bibliography? Where was this little marvel unearthed? The chronological reference 'Middle Roman' is better than nothing, but it is vague enough as to suggest that the 'swiss knife' wasn't recovered under much controlled conditions... :?

Aitor


Re: Forks - Caballo - 11-18-2006

Martin wrote "Found the original, bibliography and pretty good photos, too, both of the original and a replica

http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/opac/se ... _limit_=10 "

Thanks- finaly I've found where the original is kept plus a picture- laudes and thanks.

The Len Morgan replica (apart from being in brass rather than silver) is pretty accurate- and I can personally vouch that it is 100% functional. It fascinated some other people in the pub that Jim and I were drinking in, and always has a big impact when I do school visits.

Cheers

Caballo


Re: Forks - Martin Moser - 11-18-2006

Quote:It is real for sure but... Has anybody read the bibliography? Where was this little marvel unearthed? The chronological reference 'Middle Roman' is better than nothing, but it is vague enough as to suggest that the 'swiss knife' wasn't recovered under much controlled conditions... :?

I've ordered

Sherlock, D. (1988) A combination Roman eating implement, Source title: Antiquaries Journal [comments: 310-311, pl. xlix]

at the library and will report back on it when I get it ...


Re: Forks - aitor iriarte - 11-18-2006

OK, Martin, many thanks! I'll be waiting for it! Big Grin

Aitor