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Re: Sagum Mania! - aitor iriarte - 04-13-2006

Franklin,
Probably most copper-alloy cruciform brooches were originally gilt. At least three brooches in my small collection exhibit clear traces of having been so (Mercury gilding but I bet that your girlfriend's father isn't willing to sacrifice his health for the cause of 'accuracy' Tongue )

Aitor

Re: Sagum Mania! - Franklin - 04-13-2006

Quote:Franklin,
Probably most copper-alloy cruciform brooches were originally gilt. At least three brooches in my small collection exhibit clear traces of having been so (Mercury gilding but I bet that your girlfriend's father isn't willing to sacrifice his health for the cause of 'accuracy' Tongue )

Aitor

Ha! Well it's good to know I've struck a blow for accuracy, if only by accident.

Would the same have likely been true of other bronze fittings? Belt pieces, for example?

Re: Sagum Mania! - Robert Vermaat - 04-13-2006

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Franklin:2tw35h0r Wrote:Also, kinda confused about the image you posted for Ray's "RB-6" brooch. It clearly does not have a side-slit for the pin (as you mentioned), but the one that I purchased from Ray does. I wonder if he's modified his product since then.
Please post a picture! If true it may make my choice easier.
I have this one as well.
[Image: tb6.JPG][Image: tb6b.JPG]

Re: Sagum Mania! - tlclark - 04-13-2006

How big is Raymond's crossbow fibula?

Most that I am seeing online are small 4-6cm

It's not unusual to see actual ones in collections be as big as 20cm! Though those are probably really big show pieces for wealthy individuals.

A more common size would be 8-12cm.

Travis

Re: Sagum Mania! - Theodosius the Great - 04-13-2006

Hi Travis,

The fibula I bought from Raymond measures 3 x 2 inches.

Re: Sagum Mania! - Tarbicus - 08-04-2006

Here's a 6th-C image showing the sagum being worn:

[url:36mpocab]http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/gaddis/Images/RossanoPilate2.jpg[/url]

Re: Sagum Mania! - Robert Vermaat - 08-04-2006

I'm not sure about the guy on the bottom row, middle, but the guy to the left of him is wearing a half-round chlamys, not a sagum. You can see the edge curving up.

Re: Sagum Mania! - Ebusitanus - 08-04-2006

Five pages and I´m still not wiser on how I should wear my Sagum. Besides the "roll around the left arm" I´m still looking like a clown when I try to wear it and hapzardly pin it with my fibula over my right shoulder.

Where would you pin the fibula on the cloth? How, in relation to the other piece of cloth? How much should be hanging over your shoulder.

Ugh!

Re: Sagum Mania! - Robert Vermaat - 08-04-2006

Quote:Five pages and I´m still not wiser on how I should wear my Sagum.

OK, I'll give it a go - mind you I was in a hurry when I read your post so my 5-year old took the pictures and I hastily added some lines to the pictures.

Phase 1: take the right side of the cloth, make sure that the side hangs straight down.
Phase 2: pull the upper corner over your right shoulder and make sure it stays there.
Phase 3: take the opposite corner of your cloth and pull it to your right shoulder, making sure that the edge hangs straight down.
Phase 4: Extend your left arm and pull the cloth back over it until the hand is free, and see to it that the underside of the cloth is now free from /parallel to the floor.
Phase 5: Adjusting - the tricky bit (yes, you were already sure that would come, now weren't you? :wink: ).
You need to make sure that the space for your neck is large enough but not too large (you don't want that enormous gap across your back). You should be able to use the fabric that hangs across your back as a hood.
So, you must adjust the cloth a bit, and that varies from person to person and from fabric to fabric. I've done this for years and it still just won't go automatically. Must be like a tie.. Sad
The amount of fabric on your right shoulder must be large enough that the fibula will hold it, but not too large .. anyway you get the picture, I guess.

I hope these blurry pictures and my text will help a bit, if not yell, I can post a bigger version.

Re: Sagum Mania! - Ebusitanus - 08-04-2006

Laudes to you my fine man!

Re: Sagum Mania! - Robert Vermaat - 08-04-2006

My pleasure. :wink:

Re: Sagum Mania! - tlclark - 08-04-2006

Tarby! Epirtomate this!!

RE: Sagum Mania! - Lucius Antonius Ursus - 02-05-2016

Please pardon the ultra-necro thread resurrection - but the pictures seem to have disappeared from the above post (shocking that it would do that after a decade) and I still can't wrap my head around how to drape and pin my sagum based off just the words. Does anyone have a link to pictures or a video instructional, please?

RE: Sagum Mania! - Thomas V. - 02-06-2016

(02-05-2016, 11:06 PM)Lucius Antonius Ursus Wrote: Please pardon the ultra-necro thread resurrection - but the pictures seem to have disappeared from the above post (shocking that it would do that after a decade) and I still can't wrap my head around how to drape and pin my sagum based off just the words.  Does anyone have a link to pictures or a video instructional, please?
The linked post contains two illustrations showing how the sagum is worn: http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/thread-2606-post-331894.html#pid331894.

RE: Sagum Mania! - John M McDermott - 02-11-2016

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